baddest build...6k budget

[jeeprnovru]

ok guys if you have a 6k budget what would be the makings of a component built super cruncher...the widler the better!

[jeeprnovru]

im thinking of a serverboard basr and 64 of memory lots of xeon and some multiple gpu

[Maxwell]

EDIT (since I'm an idiot and posted to the wrong thread):

MOBO (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151219): $800
CPU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105267): $769 x 4
RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139040): $51 x 16
GPU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121436): $700 x 1
PSU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817292058): $400 x 1

That hits $5800 - you'll need a case, HDD, OS, etc., but that will get you close. This will NOT maximize credits, but it will crunch the hell out of some CPU projects and throw up some decent GPU credits. I'm a MMer, so that's my ideal rig o' the moment...

[John P. Myers]

I may be wrong, but were there any AM2+ Mobos that were no backwards compatible with an AM2 socket? The one I have is, and I never found one that wasn't...

i could swear i've seen this exact thing posted somewhere else...Deja vu!

[Maxwell]

i could swear i've seen this exact thing posted somewhere else...Deja vu!
Hush - I'm dumb... I edited my post to what I meant it to say. :o

[Dorsilfin]

Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188059

CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115212

GPU X 4 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187127

1500 watt PS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256054

so thats around 4100 currently.. without a case or hd or drives or monitor etc etc..

id probably throw in3 SSD Drives in raid 5, and those run couple hundred bucks each.. then a monster tower.. etc etc

easily hit the 6k point and then some.

[rgathright]

EDIT (since I'm an idiot and posted to the wrong thread):

MOBO (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151219): $800
CPU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105267): $769 x 4
RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139040): $51 x 16
GPU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121436): $700 x 1
PSU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817292058): $400 x 1

That hits $5800 - you'll need a case, HDD, OS, etc., but that will get you close. This will NOT maximize credits, but it will crunch the hell out of some CPU projects and throw up some decent GPU credits. I'm a MMer, so that's my ideal rig o' the moment...

I second this!:-bd

My base configuration of this system will be operational by Monday morning. :cool:

[jeeprnovru]

Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188059

CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115212

GPU X 4 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187127

1500 watt PS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256054

so thats around 4100 currently.. without a case or hd or drives or monitor etc etc..

id probably throw in3 SSD Drives in raid 5, and those run couple hundred bucks each.. then a monster tower.. etc etc

easily hit the 6k point and then some.

i like where you are goin wtih this but i could cut some fat...3 SSHDS? i could do alot with the money making two units up and leaning on GPUs.

[jeeprnovru]

http://www.appro.com/product/hyperpower_intel_overview.asp


bwahahahahaaaa!


i wish.

[GregK]

i like where you are goin wtih this but i could cut some fat...3 SSHDS? i could do alot with the money making two units up and leaning on GPUs.

precisely! my 2 cents id find a gpu that will be usable for the longest time(meaning hopefully it wont be insignificant in 3 yrs) buy as many as you can in as many box's as you need middle road mb drives dont matter any junk laying around. nice efficient reliable powersupplies. throw in a 50$ cpu or even a badass one its your build just have fun and btw id think you'd be our next major player if you pull this off! just do it man!!! a new gpu will do 750k alone per day or so i believe so imagine 4 or 6!!!! plenty of intelligent computer freaks here to guide you :)

[jeeprnovru]

;9547']precisely! my 2 cents id find a gpu that will be usable for the longest time(meaning hopefully it wont be insignificant in 3 yrs) buy as many as you can in as many box's as you need middle road mb drives dont matter any junk laying around. nice efficient reliable powersupplies. throw in a 50$ cpu or even a badass one its your build just have fun and btw id think you'd be our next major player if you pull this off! just do it man!!! a new gpu will do 750k alone per day or so i believe so imagine 4 or 6!!!! plenty of intelligent computer freaks here to guide you :)



bingo...i want a stripped down racer not a luxury sled...(if you think in terms or racing like i do) I WANNA GO FAST! LOL

i want to build to run at the top...all this extra beef and trinketry can be avoided. i dint need LED lights and chrome usb ports. i need speed in a box! im with ya all the way greg k.

[Dandasarge]

Not sure I could spend 6k on a system how about 2 3k systems or 3 2k systems?

[Crazybob]

http://www.appro.com/product/hyperpower_intel_overview.asp


bwahahahahaaaa!


i wish.

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[Dandasarge]

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video cards perform within 20% with less then 1/2 the price.

[GregK]

well take a few weeks if nesscessary to figure it best. you'll find plenty of help here to make sure you get the best bang for the dollar. i will definately be following this build thread!

[jeeprnovru]

If your going to go this route, you should come up with a good signature to take advantage of the.......

Special discount for Universities

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i wonder if this is feasible...no really! Obama seems to love handing out our cash...how for our "systems for the betterment of analytical achivement" or something simmilarly fund worthy sounding. lol

[rgathright]

;9574']well take a few weeks if nesscessary to figure it best. you'll find plenty of help here to make sure you get the best bang for the dollar. i will definately be following this build thread!

I am interested in this as well and will do my best to respond to any hardware questions that he may have.

Now, on this subject of the ideal $6000 build.

If you are building just one machine let's look at the power consumption of the rig:
160 watts for 2 x AMD Opteron 12 core processors
400+ watts for the dual video cards

How are you planning on cooling the room that this machine resides in?

I say put a window air conditioner in your budget. :cool:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_aCc0qeH6j8s/TF5JfKbHC5E/AAAAAAAAHLU/DlRmDmdsqKc/Haier6000BTUWindowAirConditioner.jpg

[jeeprnovru]

actually that topic came up in conversation today and the case will be sitting under i window unit in the room its gonna be in...i want to get some dryer hose and rig it up to gulp some AC and plumb it into the case...yehaw! its a frigirare BTW

[zombie67]

Not only the cooling, but also the power to run it. Special wiring would probably be needed for these 4xGPU systems. And then if you add 4 CPUs and butt-loads of RAM (need at least 2gb per thread). You could probably get more bang for the buck by doing a couple of dual cpu, dual gpu machines. And that way you can put them on separate circuits, and in different rooms.

[jeeprnovru]

FIRST PART OFFICIALY ORDERED:
The Thermaltake TP-1350M Toughpower Power Supply (http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7108936&CatId=5115)

[GregK]

actually that topic came up in conversation today and the case will be sitting under i window unit in the room its gonna be in...i want to get some dryer hose and rig it up to gulp some AC and plumb it into the case...yehaw! its a frigirare BTW

that will work good especially on those days you "crank it up" to the max!:cool:

jees i didnt even consider dual gpu cards. those are a monster in itself.
will u be using a full tower? cappy has some nice box's with several huge fans. cant remember what box it was though. i think they have 2 6 inch fans on the side which would be great for cooling.
i went and bought a big expensive tower only to find it cools 20 degrees better with the side off. pissed me off! (thermaltake kandolf 9000s supertower blk) cooling/airflow will be an important issue here. dont depend on a/c that should be just a benefit in my book.

[John P. Myers]

FIRST PART OFFICIALY ORDERED:
The Thermaltake TP-1350M Toughpower Power Supply (http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7108936&CatId=5115)

It's not modular....ewwwww....
But still a good PSU. Same brand i use...except modular

[jeeprnovru]

i want liquid cooled but id have a nervous breakdown thinking about leaks....i like the looks of the mineral oil cooled stuff....WWW.EXTREMEOVERCLOCKING.COM is a pretty cool forum for builders.

[jeeprnovru]

ASUS GeForce GTX 580 DirectCU II specifications:
GF110 GPU
8 phase power supply for GPU
2 phase power supply for memory (1 draws from 8-pin and one from PCIe slot)
More efficient power supply with more power per phase
Highly efficient NEC power capacitor behind GPU
Dual 8-pin power connectors

DirectCU 2 cooler with 5 copper direct-contact heatpipes

Dual 100x20mm fans for low noise
Requires 3 expansion slots

[DrPop]

The best bang for the buck is with GPUs. Hands down. Get yourself a good x6 core AMD or x4 core i7 CPU + a mobo with 2 or 3 PCI-e slots that both run at 16x speed. That won't break the bank - easily done for $350 to $400. That's all you need. The exotic stuff is just going to waste your money if you're after credits - let's all be honest.

Throw your $$$ at the PSU (which you just did! :D), and GPUs. Get 2x the dual cards - either (2) NVIDIA 590 or (2) AMD 6990 GPU cards, so you effectively have 4 GPUs. You will easily have a rig that crunches well over 1Mil per day... on 1/2 your budget.
If you really want to spend $6K to help out the team ... BUILD 2 OF THESE MONSTERS! :D

EDIT: if you want to get a modular PSU, it might be worth it - you could cancel your order for that one, return it, and/or you can find them around 1000W for a little over $120(+) - $150 at NewEgg sometimes...when they're having a good special.
Thank you for the help, by the way!:cool:

[jeeprnovru]

i appreciateall the advice guys! keep it coming

[GregK]

speaking of ati or nvidia which project are you planning to focus on? nice psu!

[John P. Myers]

After lots of thought and consideration, i present to you the single most badass build of any number cruncher in the world. Ever. (for $6k) :D

First and most importantly, return that pissant PSU and get this one instead. (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9981/psu-435/Ultra_X4_1600W_Modular_SLI_Ready_Power_Supply_U12-40500.html?tl=g11c26s87) $400

Then I recommend this motherboard. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128472) $530

Then put this processor in it. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115066) $595 (cheapest 6 core)

With this SSD. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227529) $190

With a pair of these. (http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=03G-P3-1599-A2&family=GeForce 500 Series Family&sw=) $1730
And 1 of these. (http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=015-P3-1589-AR&family=GeForce 500 Series Family&sw=) $700
And this for the last slot. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125370) $740

Add for your RAM. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145271) $290 or....
If you don't mind going $85 over budget, i strongly suggest you get this RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231354) instead. 8-8-8-24 vs. 6-8-6-20 mmmm sexy! $390

This liquid cooling kit. (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8411/ex-wat-140/Swiftech_H20-220_Apex_Ultima_XT_Liquid_Cooling_Kit_Universal_Mo unt.html?tl=g30c83s137) $260 (+additional hoses, clamps, barbs = $290) Use the radiator in this kit for your CPU only.

For a radiator to take care of the GPUs, get a transmision oil cooler. Only $40.

HAF-X case + extra fans = $220
23" Samsung monitor: $230
Some random CD/DVD drive = $30

TOTAL COST: $5,985 ($6,085 with the better, faster RAM)
With this beast, you'll be winning

[Maxwell]

The best bang for the buck is with GPUs. Hands down. Get yourself a good x6 core AMD or x4 core i7 CPU + a mobo with 2 or 3 PCI-e slots that both run at 16x speed. That won't break the bank - easily done for $350 to $400. That's all you need. The exotic stuff is just going to waste your money if you're after credits - let's all be honest.

Throw your $$$ at the PSU (which you just did! :D), and GPUs. Get 2x the dual cards - either (2) NVIDIA 590 or (2) AMD 6990 GPU cards, so you effectively have 4 GPUs. You will easily have a rig that crunches well over 1Mil per day... on 1/2 your budget.
If you really want to spend $6K to help out the team ... BUILD 2 OF THESE MONSTERS! :D
I would advise taking a couple steps further if max credits is the goal - find a mobo with 3 PCIe slots triple spaced - put the cheapest CPU and RAM in there and don't crunch on the CPU. Only use them to feed the GPU. Pick up a crapton of GPUs in the "sweetspot" o' money. A 6950 is ~$230 right now three in a box (caseless if you're adventurous) and you can probably do 1M/day on ~$1000. Multiply that by six. Then get DrPop to pay the power bill... ;)

[Maxwell]

After lots of thought and consideration, i present to you the single most badass build of any number cruncher in the world. Ever. (for $6k) :D
Well played, JPM. Well played...

[John P. Myers]

Well played, JPM. Well played...

oh i've got more notes and options for that build. need awhile to finish tinkering with some other stuff then i'll post it.

[John P. Myers]

oh i've got more notes and options for that build. need awhile to finish tinkering with some other stuff then i'll post it.

Ok. A couple things to point out. With that motherboard, put the 2 GTX590's in the first 2 PCIe x16 slots, put the GTX580 in the 3rd and the HD6990 in the 4th.

Since the 6990 has the fan in the center, it needs to be in the last slot to breathe properly. The HAF X case will have no problem feeding it plenty of air.

Since the GTX580 is a single slot card, putting it in the 3rd x16 slot leaves the PCI slot open for a 9500GT! :D Beautiful. You could then set tht as your main video output to not interrupt the crunching of the other GPUs.

The board also has a built-in Bigfoot Killer 2100 NPU. Just might help bandwidth out when you're doing things other than simply crunching.

And we've also got a built-in Sound Blaster X-Fi DAP. Even the headset amp is built in. One less thing for your CPU to do means more crunching.

Speaking of the CPU, yeah it may be the cheapest Intel 6 core, but with this board and it's 16 phase PWM, you can overclock the crap out of it. Remember i hooked you up with that Swiftech water cooling system (exact same one i use) so temps won't be anything to worry about. Many people report stable speeds of 4.4GHz with this chip.

Your RAM kit comes with a cooling fan. Problem solved.

Also, since this CPU does lolHyper Threading, i'd change BOINC setting to only use 6 (maybe 8) of the 12 threads possible with this chip. The remaining 6 (or 4) threads can feed your GPUs and perform other tasks you might be doing on your computer, such as watching porn :p

Also, the reason i suggested only 2 GTX 590's instead of 3 or all 4 is because even though the PSU i suggested is badass, it couldn't safely handle that big of load. Plus this way, you've got an HD6990 to throw on DNETC.

Overall, i went Nvidia-heavy because PG is really hot right now, and because there are more projects than can be tackled vs. AMD.

Build this rig, overclock it right, and i guarantee you a minimum of 5,000,000 credits per day.

[Maxwell]

Since the GTX580 is a single slot card, putting it in the 3rd x16 slot leaves the PCI slot open for a 9500GT! :D Beautiful. You could then set tht as your main video output to not interrupt the crunching of the other GPUs.
This might be a problem - I've heard a lot of people have problems mixing cards unless they set the ATI card as the primary output...

[jeeprnovru]

Ok. A couple things to point out. With that motherboard, put the 2 GTX590's in the first 2 PCIe x16 slots, put the GTX580 in the 3rd and the HD6990 in the 4th.

Since the 6990 has the fan in the center, it needs to be in the last slot to breathe properly. The HAF X case will have no problem feeding it plenty of air.

Since the GTX580 is a single slot card, putting it in the 3rd x16 slot leaves the PCI slot open for a 9500GT! :D Beautiful. You could then set tht as your main video output to not interrupt the crunching of the other GPUs.

The board also has a built-in Bigfoot Killer 2100 NPU. Just might help bandwidth out when you're doing things other than simply crunching.

And we've also got a built-in Sound Blaster X-Fi DAP. Even the headset amp is built in. One less thing for your CPU to do means more crunching.

Speaking of the CPU, yeah it may be the cheapest Intel 6 core, but with this board and it's 16 phase PWM, you can overclock the crap out of it. Remember i hooked you up with that Swiftech water cooling system (exact same one i use) so temps won't be anything to worry about. Many people report stable speeds of 4.4GHz with this chip.

Your RAM kit comes with a cooling fan. Problem solved.

Also, since this CPU does lolHyper Threading, i'd change BOINC setting to only use 6 (maybe 8) of the 12 threads possible with this chip. The remaining 6 (or 4) threads can feed your GPUs and perform other tasks you might be doing on your computer, such as watching porn :p

Also, the reason i suggested only 2 GTX 590's instead of 3 or all 4 is because even though the PSU i suggested is badass, it couldn't safely handle that big of load. Plus this way, you've got an HD6990 to throw on DNETC.

Overall, i went Nvidia-heavy because PG is really hot right now, and because there are more projects than can be tackled vs. AMD.

Build this rig, overclock it right, and i guarantee you a minimum of 5,000,000 credits per day.


Help out when im doing things other than crunching??? wha? who does other stuff?............................................ .................................................. .......................................Shhhhhhhhhh h!!!! if it finds out it can do other stuff we will be screwed!

im an ATI guy, also, no changing that! and i have a lap top i use for all meh porn, so we can focus on workin the shit outa this rig!

[Mumps]

Build this rig, overclock it right, and i guarantee you a minimum of 5,000,000 credits per day.

Is that a "Put your money where you mouth is" kinda guarantee? Will you reimburse him his 6K if it fails to perform? :):):)

[rgathright]

Is that a "Put your money where you mouth is" kinda guarantee? Will you reimburse him his 6K if it fails to perform? :):):)

Alright everyone... not trying to show off here but earlier in this thread the AMD G34 motherboard was mentioned as an ideal system for a $6,000 computer.

Well, here is the proof! I have already collected over 1,000 Credits at Androinc in the past 1:45 minutes with just a single AMD Opteron 6128 processor! In fact, I only have four memory sticks in this system so the peak bandwidth potential has not even been reached.

http://androinc.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6555

What could this system (cost less than $800 to build) do with a $500 NVIDIA x16 video card?

Finally, don't forget, around September 2011, we will see 16 core Opteron G34 chips hit the market and the ASUS KGPE-D16 will support them.

[Crazybob]

All this hardware talk is making me drool.:) Feel as if I showed up at a gunfight with a switchblade. A real bad case of hardware envy.@-)

[DrPop]

I just think you'd get the best bang for the buck if you used the money for (2) dual GPU cards per machine...and built 2 of them. If you really want to push it, try three of them in a rig! :D I know this can work with Linux, I'm not sure about Windows - I keep getting conflicting reports on that (running 3 dual GPU cards for 6 total GPUs).

Honestly, for max credits all you need is a (mid grade) CPU that can push the GPUs enough - like I said, an X6 AMD 100T for $199 or an i7 (around a 920 or so) for a little more.
A good mobo with 3 PCI-e slots and lots of bandwidth is only like $150ish...
Don't spend more than $60 on the HDD, 4GB RAM for about the same...could be really inexpensive except for the high end PSU and the GPUs.
And even then, you can get a solid 1KW PSU on Newegg in the $100 - $150 range easy.
I'm all for the crazy stuff - but I just hate to see a guy spend tons of $ when he doesn't have to...

[John P. Myers]

This might be a problem - I've heard a lot of people have problems mixing cards unless they set the ATI card as the primary output...

Well...speaking from personal experience, i have an HD 5870, a GTX 460 and a 9500GT. The 9500GT doesn't crunch because BOINC won't use it by default since it's the weakest card and i have it set as my main video output, so i know it's possible :)


Is that a "Put your money where you mouth is" kinda guarantee? Will you reimburse him his 6K if it fails to perform?

Yep! As long as i also get the system. Then i'll make it do 6mil/day out of spite and start a "Told you so!" thread :D

[John P. Myers]

I just think you'd get the best bang for the buck if you used the money for (2) dual GPU cards per machine...and built 2 of them. If you really want to push it, try three of them in a rig! :D I know this can work with Linux, I'm not sure about Windows - I keep getting conflicting reports on that (running 3 dual GPU cards for 6 total GPUs).

Honestly, for max credits all you need is a (mid grade) CPU that can push the GPUs enough - like I said, an X6 AMD 100T for $199 or an i7 (around a 920 or so) for a little more.
A good mobo with 3 PCI-e slots and lots of bandwidth is only like $150ish...
Don't spend more than $60 on the HDD, 4GB RAM for about the same...could be really inexpensive except for the high end PSU and the GPUs.
And even then, you can get a solid 1KW PSU on Newegg in the $100 - $150 range easy.
I'm all for the crazy stuff - but I just hate to see a guy spend tons of $ when he doesn't have to...

The reason for putting a 6 core i7 in there as opposes to something cheaper is because 95% of projects still only use the CPU and all the GPUs in the world are worthless there. We have many competitions with are CPU only, and i'm sure he'd like to at least make a decent showing there. To do that AND feed 4 GPUs (3 of which are dual GPUs) also requires a fair chunk of CPU power. He's covered in all directions.

I have 8GB RAM in my machine with on;y 4 cores and right now i'm using about 5GB of it. Day before yesterday i was just under 7GB. 4 is just not enough to have any freedom, especially not with 6 cores.

[zombie67]

2gb per thread is the minimum people should use for planning. Also, if you want to run BURP (which uses an MT app), be advised that their largest tasks need up to 12gb. So I would set my RAM to be 12gb or 2gb/thread, whichever is larger.

[Fire$torm]

It's not modular....ewwwww....
But still a good PSU. Same brand i use...except modular

??????? Yes it has modular connectors. For everything sans the main 24 pin power. No need to have that unplug.

[DrPop]

Ok, OK, I stand corrected. :D
Just for the record, though - I put 8GB DDR3 1600 in the DrPop rig, upgraded from 4GB last month, and it didn't make a lick of difference in how much RAM was "used" for anything. Still around 2.5GB or so...this is running Win7 64bit Ultimate, AMD X6 100T, 5870HD...crunching 24/7 all out...I don't even game on it anymore, LOL. :rolleyes:
It just sits there headless, crunching, and the extra RAM I shelled out for "just in case", well, it would appear that it didn't do squat. :p

[zombie67]

Just for the record, though - I put 8GB DDR3 1600 in the DrPop rig, upgraded from 4GB last month, and it didn't make a lick of difference in how much RAM was "used" for anything. Still around 2.5GB or so...this is running Win7 64bit Ultimate, AMD X6 100T, 5870HD...crunching 24/7 all out...I don't even game on it anymore, LOL. :rolleyes:
It just sits there headless, crunching, and the extra RAM I shelled out for "just in case", well, it would appear that it didn't do squat. :p

Huh? More RAM doesn't make it go faster. Each project's apps need a different amount of RAM. Most projects use 250kb per task or less. But some use 1-2 gb per task. For example, TLP can use up to 1.2gb per task, RNA can use up to 2.5gb per task, and like I said, BURP can use up to 12gb per task (running only ine MT task at a time). It all depends on which projects you crunch. So yeah, if you want to limit yourself to less than all the projects, install less RAM. And yeah, all that RAM will usually be sitting idle for most projects. But RAM is dirt cheap, and I like being able to crunch ANY project.

[DrPop]

Right, I agree that going from 4 to 8GB won't make it crunch faster. What I thought I would see is higher usage of the RAM by the system, and little (hopefully almost none) usage of the swap file on HDD. However, it would seem the projects that I run don't take advantage of the extra memory.
Again, I agree that RAM is cheap now, but I was just trying to point out that in my limited experiment, there was no noticeable gain when going from 4 to 8GB. Now, in the future, it might serve me well, so I'm happy to have it "just because"... :D

[John P. Myers]

Right, I agree that going from 4 to 8GB won't make it crunch faster. What I thought I would see is higher usage of the RAM by the system, and little (hopefully almost none) usage of the swap file on HDD. However, it would seem the projects that I run don't take advantage of the extra memory.
Again, I agree that RAM is cheap now, but I was just trying to point out that in my limited experiment, there was no noticeable gain when going from 4 to 8GB. Now, in the future, it might serve me well, so I'm happy to have it "just because"... :D

Yep it won't stop using the swap file just because there's more memory. That would make sense, so it'll never happen. What i had to do is actually disable windows from using a swap file.

[jeeprnovru]

this thread had turned into techie porn...i like!!!

[jeeprnovru]

next order complete...Cooler Master RC-942-KKN1 HAF X ATX Full Tower Computer Case - ATX, 230mm Red LED Fan, USB 2.0/3.0, 9x Expansion Slots. *Supports XL-ATX, 4-way SLI and Quad Crossfire X*

times 2!!!

[jeeprnovru]

DOIN THIS FOR THE TOP GUN TEAM...WE WILL PUT A BOOT IN GERMANYS ASS.

[Fire$torm]

Right, I agree that going from 4 to 8GB won't make it crunch faster. What I thought I would see is higher usage of the RAM by the system, and little (hopefully almost none) usage of the swap file on HDD. However, it would seem the projects that I run don't take advantage of the extra memory.
Again, I agree that RAM is cheap now, but I was just trying to point out that in my limited experiment, there was no noticeable gain when going from 4 to 8GB. Now, in the future, it might serve me well, so I'm happy to have it "just because"... :D


Yep it won't stop using the swap file just because there's more memory. That would make sense, so it'll never happen. What i had to do is actually disable windows from using a swap file.

I have read reports that with certain apps Win7 will not behave well without the swap file. But with 12GB of RAM there is no need to disable the swap file, rather you could just create a RAM drive and tell Windows to put the swap file there. Best of both worlds.

[jeeprnovru]

http://www.amazon.com/P5E3-Premium-WiFi-AP-Quad-core-Extreme/dp/B001620G0A

what do yall think for the MOBOs?

[jeeprnovru]

CPUs (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=35365)
a friend is trying to sell me these...what do yall think?
this is seti usa's baby your advice...my money hpoe all the questions dont annoy i just want my teams input!

[John P. Myers]

CPUs (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=35365)
a friend is trying to sell me these...what do yall think?
this is seti usa's baby your advice...my money hpoe all the questions dont annoy i just want my teams input!

That CPU and mobo are fine if you're gonna build 2 systems with that $6k. The single system i mentioned before would net you more credits/day though and use less electricity and take up less space and make less noise, put out less heat, etc. etc. :p

But if you changed your mind and decided not to spend $6k, you could make a pretty awesome system from this board.

[GregK]

CPUs (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=35365)
a friend is trying to sell me these...what do yall think?
this is seti usa's baby your advice...my money hpoe all the questions dont annoy i just want my teams input!

i think the quads would be more than enough what counts is price in my book! i have the q9450 and i do believe on ebay they are still going for over 300$ if he sells em to ya for half that jump on it id say. but as has been proved with the ps purchase do not jump first hear from at least 2 knowledgable people here. i say that because i jumped with out asking for advice and f-ed myself on a pos video card im now stuck with. man was i pissed! my fault 101%. but no you will never bother anyone here with questions bunch of computer and gaming geeks here bring it on!;):D

[DrPop]

DOIN THIS FOR THE TOP GUN TEAM...WE WILL PUT A BOOT IN GERMANYS ASS.

LOL! ;) Well, SIC is our first worry, but really we need to hop it up above the French. That way when SIC comes SCREAMING up from behind, we won't ever fall below 3rd. Now, of course I'd love to see us at #1 again, but that'll be a bit. [of work and time]

[DrPop]

Yeah, please - don't spend that hard earned cash until you get a census here - I learned that the hard way myself. Congrats on the SWEET CASE, by the way! :D

OK - I'll bite on the socket 775 stuff. It's old tech, uses a lot of electricity, but could be worth it. Those Intel quads can O/C good, and are pretty fast.
What can you get the CPUs for? What can you get the mobos for? That's the deal maker / breaker right now.

An AMD X6 1100T can easily keep up and/or beat one of those for $200. The i7 940 is only $270 and would be head and shoulders above those when O/Ced...

So it all comes down to the price - if it's good, then yeah. If not, then let's try to build you out the best bang for the buck.

Did you decide to go with 1 Mega Rig or 2?

[rgathright]

CPUs (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=35365)
a friend is trying to sell me these...what do yall think?
this is seti usa's baby your advice...my money hpoe all the questions dont annoy i just want my teams input!

Please make sure you pay a fair price for those Q9400 processors. If they are used/overclocked they may have stability issues above their rated clock speed.

I would not pay more than $200 each.

[jeeprnovru]

we havent hashed out the price yet, me and this guy have been great friends since high school so its gonna be one of those kinda deals...im sure i wont have to pay to much. im wanna do two systems but ive seen some pretty good arguments for one mega! (JPM) se we shall see!

[DrPop]

Yeah, JPM is the man on the mega machines. I like to read all the tech articles on Anandtech and Tom's hardware and stuff...but I just don't have time to get too deep into it these days.
If you want the BEST rig you could possibly buy...I'd go with whatever he throws out there! But, the HAF-X case is simply tops. Can't go wrong there. That will probably be my next case, when I finally have the $$$ to max out the HAF-932 I have. :D

My conclusion - I think after re-reading some of our posts here, I'd vote for a newer tech on the mobo and CPUs...as JPM showed it could be done all in one rig, more credits, and at a good power savings too.

[John P. Myers]

Hate to bump this thread, but i'd just like to say i got my ass handed to me lol

We were discussing the amount of memory needed in a system to comfortably run pretty much any project you wanted, with no limitations. I personally have a quad core with 8GB RAM. And it crashed. Why? Only 2 cores were running the tiny little Renderfarm project, which demanded 4.2GB from each core at the same time. Unfortunately, i allowed BOINC to use 90% of RAM, even while the computer was in use. This combo didn't work too well :p I've since dropped it down to 70%.

Looks like if you want to be able to crunch any and all projects at will, you'll need to go with 6GB RAM/core. 32GB on a 6 core would most likely work as well.

[Maxwell]

Hate to bump this thread, but i'd just like to say i got my ass handed to me lol

We were discussing the amount of memory needed in a system to comfortably run pretty much any project you wanted, with no limitations. I personally have a quad core with 8GB RAM. And it crashed. Why? Only 2 cores were running the tiny little Renderfarm project, which demanded 4.2GB from each core at the same time. Unfortunately, i allowed BOINC to use 90% of RAM, even while the computer was in use. This combo didn't work too well :p I've since dropped it down to 70%.

Looks like if you want to be able to crunch any and all projects at will, you'll need to go with 6GB RAM/core. 32GB on a 6 core would most likely work as well.
Yeah - I have since disabled ORE from running on my home machine. After crashing that hard, I'm done with it for the time being. This is a new issue, though...

[Dandasarge]

Where would one find the ram requirements for the projects?

[rgathright]

Where would one find the ram requirements for the projects?

Right now there is a sweet spot for RAM on projects...

It is dictated not by what each cpu core can handle...

Instead it is the simple fact that 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM comes in either 2Gb or 4Gb chips. The 4Gb chips cost over $70 a piece while 2Gb chips cost just $30, or less.

You should buy 1600Mhz DDR3 because newer generations of cpus from Intel and AMD will support these speeds. The memory can be reused in multiple machines as a result or even sold two years from now due to its broad compatibility.

I am running into this problem with my AMD G34 that has 16 memory slots... trust me, my wallet cannot handle $70 x 16 and still buy a nice NVIDIA GTX 590!b-(

[Maxwell]

Where would one find the ram requirements for the projects?
Check out the WUProp results page (http://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results.py) for the RAM requirements by project and subproject and OS...

[Dandasarge]

Check out the WUProp results page (http://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results.py) for the RAM requirements by project and subproject and OS...



Thats the most useful thing you have ever posted!

[Maxwell]

Thats the most useful thing you have ever posted!
Thanks? Not sure if that's a compliment or insult... ;)

[Dandasarge]

Thanks? Not sure if that's a compliment or insult... ;)

one out of 1200 useful? take it any way you want :cool:

no there has been a lot of useful stuff, this one is just the "most" useful.

[John P. Myers]

one out of 1200 useful? take it any way you want :cool:

no there has been a lot of useful stuff, this one is just the "most" useful.

Seems those memory reults are an average, meaning it could take more, or less, depending on which WU you're handed. ORE is stating about 2GB/core average. I'll agree with that since it was until 2 days ago i began having memory problems. Also, BURP is listed as 5GB across all cores, but Zombie67 knows it can be far more than this. Just keep an eye on things :)

[Dandasarge]

Seems those memory reults are an average, meaning it could take more, or less, depending on which WU you're handed. ORE is stating about 2GB/core average. I'll agree with that since it was until 2 days ago i began having memory problems. Also, BURP is listed as 5GB across all cores, but Zombie67 knows it can be far more than this. Just keep an eye on things :)

I believe that to be true, 1gb per core will do 75% of the projects, 2gb per core will do 95% of the projects. that last 5% will basically use all your MB can use and in some cases more then possible. If someone has 6gb per core more power to them but my recommendation is 2gb per core. You can't run BURP then you cant run BURP but dose the BURP credit justify the extra $150 per core? that's 500k credits a day on PG in video card or 400k a day on milkyway.

[DrPop]

My men...

...I don't seem to understand the concern over RAM these days. Can anyone show me a project that actually delivers GOOD CREDIT that needs so much? Like I said, I've got one rig with 8GB and one with 4GB, both DDR3 1600 O/Ced, and there hasn't been a lick of difference...

...and I think this point of view is relevant, because who really wants to run a crap paying project, and therefore let SIC kick our behinds that much faster anyway? :D;)**==

[zombie67]

Hate to bump this thread, but i'd just like to say i got my ass handed to me lol

We were discussing the amount of memory needed in a system to comfortably run pretty much any project you wanted, with no limitations. I personally have a quad core with 8GB RAM. And it crashed. Why? Only 2 cores were running the tiny little Renderfarm project, which demanded 4.2GB from each core at the same time. Unfortunately, i allowed BOINC to use 90% of RAM, even while the computer was in use. This combo didn't work too well :p I've since dropped it down to 70%.

Looks like if you want to be able to crunch any and all projects at will, you'll need to go with 6GB RAM/core. 32GB on a 6 core would most likely work as well.

That was a cock-up on by the project *AND* on the BOINC client. BOINC is supposed to suspend tasks when it gets that bad, you know, the "waiting for memory" message. Even at 90% setting, it should have allowed only one to run at once if it needed 4.2gb.

[Maxwell]

...and I think this point of view is relevant, because who really wants to run a crap paying project, and therefore let SIC kick our behinds that much faster anyway? :D;)**==
Me? And I suspect most of the MegaStoners?

[John P. Myers]

Me? And I suspect most of the MegaStoners?

Yep. Anyone working on milestones needs to be able to crunch every single project, regardless of how many credits it pays. As far as a good paying project that uses alot of RAM? AQUA can get pretty high at times where you'll need at least 2GB/core to get by. Beyond that though, not really.


That was a cock-up on by the project *AND* on the BOINC client. BOINC is supposed to suspend tasks when it gets that bad, you know, the "waiting for memory" message. Even at 90% setting, it should have allowed only one to run at once if it needed 4.2gb

Yep. Problem was the system was using more than the remaining 10% which caused the lockup. BOINC was still trying to hit the 90% cap, but never made it because of the system usage.

[zombie67]

Thats the most useful thing you have ever posted!

I am in a cranky mood. And this is NOT pointed at *anyone* in particular.

Er, we are *all* running this project for the *free credits*, right? So we all already know about this project, and what it does, right? This should not be new news to anyone on the team.

Edit: Also, to avoid confusion, heartbreak ,and wasted money, we should be talking about gb/thread, not gb/core. For AMD, it is still 1-1, so there is no harm in calling a core a thread. But for intel, it is a different situation. Especially now that we are in now the second generation of modern Intel chips with HT. And no end in sight. As far as BOINC is concerned, it counts threads, not cores. So we really need to plan RAM per thread, not core, so there is no confusion, regardless of CPU.

[jeeprnovru]

be cool bitches!

[Crazybob]

Hey jeep. how the build going? Any updates? I just ordered a new rig, nothing like what your looking at, but a nice one just the same.