Stomp SETI.USA NFS@Home members thread [Archive]

Duke of Buckingham

09-20-12, 06:55 AM

Nice post and nice crunching on NFS, I have a UOTD for today at Numberfields that is factorization also, is there any difference between the several projects of number theory? Because they are so many, what is different the search, the method or any other thing?

Maybe you don't know either but I think someone inside the projects should know.

pinhodecarlos

09-20-12, 07:52 AM

Duke of Buckingham

09-20-12, 08:03 AM

:) See it was easy. So in spite of what is being told that the projects do the same work and are duplicating the crunching to do exactly the same, that is not true. The work is very different and the conclusions are different tools to use in difference sciences.

No work is lost, they are not opening new projects to do the same work, no matter what it seems to us we don't have the enough knowledge to distinguish, what for us are small differences are completely different projects from the inside point of view.

A question of perspective. Thanks Carlos that was very useful.:o

pinhodecarlos

09-20-12, 08:35 AM

The only two math projects that I am aware of doing double work was GIMPS vs Mersenne@home, the latter is closed (it was a waste of energy due to lack of knowledge by crunchers side), and probably now http://oproject.goldbach.pl/index.php vs http://www.ieeta.pt/~tos/goldbach.html. In contact with our fellow Tomás Oliveira he can't tell me for sure if there's double work on the goldbach conjecture because the former project doesn't publish very well the results. So he has lots of doubts.

pinhodecarlos

09-22-12, 04:52 PM

John P. Myers is down, next is theflux.

zombie67

09-22-12, 10:40 PM

The original BOINC Goldbach project? It never actually did any real work. It was all UPPERCASE.

pinhodecarlos

09-23-12, 12:28 AM

The original BOINC Goldbach project? It never actually did any real work. It was all UPPERCASE.

Was there another beside the ones I mentioned?

zombie67

09-23-12, 01:11 AM

Was there another beside the ones I mentioned?

No idea. But there is this one that that many of us have credit in (the one I referenced):

http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=proj&proj=gol

Nuadormrac

09-23-12, 01:59 AM

First reading, that project has nothing to do with factorization.
Factorization is to factor a integer into two or more prime factors. Example: 15 is equal to 3 x 5, correct? 3 and 5 are one digit integers, prime numbers, only divisible by 1 or by themselves.

3 and 5 are prime, but being 1 digit isn't part of it. 6 is a 1 digit composite number (divisable by 3 and 2), but 11 is a 2 digit number which can't be factored, hence prime. Prime Grid would be looking for some very large prime numbers.

As to the question asked, different math projects would be, testing different theories and the like. So no, they aren't all the same....

pinhodecarlos

09-23-12, 03:55 AM

3 and 5 are prime, but being 1 digit isn't part of it. 6 is a 1 digit composite number (divisable by 3 and 2), but 11 is a 2 digit number which can't be factored, hence prime. Prime Grid would be looking for some very large prime numbers.

You didn't understand what I said. First I was giving a easy example to be understood and then I said breaking a composite integer into prime factors, 11 is already a prime factor that is actually proven as a prime. Prime factor is difference than only saying prime.

Take a look at the latest result: 3,637- factors

The composite cofactor of 3,637- was the product of 85-digit and 127-digit prime numbers:

85-digit prime factor:
24362371790048691036429470508868735523952360071637 25889114267732351631395223998169289

127-digit prime factor:
12956206377215132913440461501990192401304695432213 25214558795515080650922339897532747195922323001636 473409360593989593377975691

Thanks go to M. Vang for performing the postprocessing. The factors have been reported to the Cunningham project and have been recorded on Page 125.

pinhodecarlos

09-23-12, 04:59 AM

In a simple way:

Primegrid looks for primes of the form N = k*b^n +/- 1, so they use a primality proving program called LLR.
NFS@Home, for the Cunningham Project (example), seeks to factor the numbers b^n +- 1 for b = 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, up to high powers n, by finding PRP's. A PRP is a probable prime number, a number that nobody knows how to prove or disprove its primality. A PRP could probably be proven prime using either Primo or a distributed version of ECPP.
Anyway, I posted a list of references where you can study this matter.

denim

09-28-12, 03:53 PM

Uh oh. Mumps remembered he had done work on this project and is laying it down this month. No chance of catching him now.

pinhodecarlos

10-03-12, 02:40 PM

Passed theflux, next is darksheik.

tyler o.

10-04-12, 10:44 AM

Nice job, Carlos. Keep up the good work. :)

pinhodecarlos

10-08-12, 06:40 PM

Within two days darksheik is history. Then Dean Loros to be stomped.
I'm slowly going up the stats with only one little tiny machine...la la la la la

Mike029

10-08-12, 09:25 PM

Within two days darksheik is history. Then Dean Loros to be stomped.
I'm slowly going up the stats with only one little tiny machine...la la la la la

:-bd:-bd

Fire$torm

10-08-12, 11:55 PM

Within two days darksheik is history. Then Dean Loros to be stomped.
I'm slowly going up the stats with only one little tiny machine...la la la la la

Good stuff there Carlos but at some point in the future you should look in your rear view mirror. I am on NFS with 13 threads....... o:-) :bz

pinhodecarlos

10-09-12, 04:06 AM

Good stuff there Carlos but at some point in the future you should look in your rear view mirror. I am on NFS with 13 threads....... o:-) :bz

Let's see if you can get me. BTW, looking at your computers you are not maximizing your credit output. For the machines you have more than 1GB per thread/core you should run the lasievef application that gives you 65 points per wu in contrast with lasieved and lasievee applications that give you 36 e 44 points, respectively. So go to here:

http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs/prefs.php?subset=project

and set up your NFS@Home preferences like this (see bold):

lasieved - app for RSALS subproject, uses less than 0.5 GB memory: no
lasievee - work nearly always available, uses up to 0.5 GB memory: no
lasievef - used for huge factorizations, uses up to 1 GB memory: yes
lasieve5f - used for huge factorizations, uses up to 1 GB memory: no

For the machines with less than 1GB per thread you can create a different profile or you can run 3 instances lasievef application. Note that running 3 instances of lasievef application (195 points) gives you more credit than running 4 instances of lasieved application (144 points).

tyler o.

10-09-12, 10:19 AM

Duke of Buckingham

10-09-12, 10:31 AM

Tyler O. nice to see you posting. I wouldn't let Carlos answer to that because he doesn't know the answer to that question.

The true is Portuguese are stubborn and a bit crazy as the damn Duke.

Sorry Carlos I couldn't resist ...

Very Crazy and Stubborn Duke.

pinhodecarlos

10-09-12, 10:36 AM

:-t I don't think it's a question of if Fire$torm will catch you but when.:-ss
And I'm just curious...why did you choose NFS as your sole project? If you're concerned about maximizing credits, there are other projects with better credit/hour ratios.

He will never catch me.
I like math related projects but even more when integer factorization is concerned. The math here is very difficulty and beautiful at the same time. The algorithms are amazing. The factorization of integers from the Cunningham project started in 1925, it is one of the oldest continuously ongoing projects in computational number theory. I am joining fun, knowledge and better credit/hour ratio with NFS@Home.
I don't run 100 % Boinc, I also do some factorization backstage work (ecm, post-processing) for different factorization projects like CGW, Oddperfect, Lucas and Fibonacci, etc.

BTW, did you see the smoke when I passed you? lol

Duke of Buckingham

10-09-12, 10:46 AM

http://howmanyarethere.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/1299277091-86-300x293.jpg

Fire$torm

10-09-12, 01:47 PM

Let's see if you can get me. BTW, looking at your computers you are not maximizing your credit output. For the machines you have more than 1GB per thread/core you should run the lasievef application that gives you 65 points per wu in contrast with lasieved and lasievee applications that give you 36 e 44 points, respectively.......

Sweet! Many thanks for the tip. I wasn't paying attention but now it is done. :-bd

pinhodecarlos

10-09-12, 06:10 PM

Sweet! Many thanks for the tip. I wasn't paying attention but now it is done. :-bd

Now with this tip you're going to get me.

Duke of Buckingham

10-09-12, 06:14 PM

I will get you both buddies

http://www.smashwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/I-will-get-you-out-buddy-I-promise.jpg

Duke of Buckingham

10-10-12, 11:11 AM

269,707

on NFS for Yesterday

Thanks for joining the Stomp DD (Dr Dan) and for sure I would like to have one more Mumps.

Many thanks to Mumps [MM], Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Duke of Buckingham SETI.USA, PJS, denim, tracy, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Jonathan Brier, Kevin McAllister, fk&soph (our french friends) and of course to Dr Dan.

Together we are on the right pass to accomplish the best things and for sure they are all amazing.

Thank you for your help.

tyler o.

10-10-12, 11:40 AM

That's cool. Was just gonna offer some suggestions for other projects if you wanted them. So you're primarily interested in the interger factorization and not the credits, which is why you only run the NFS app that gives the most credit and not the other three. Makes sense. I guess I'm the crazy one for thinking there might have been more to it. Since you like numbers, should try calculating what people are capable of crunching and not just looking at their current output on one project before claiming that they'll never pass you. In the meantime, enjoy passing those of us not even working on the project at the moment. Congrats on the 350,000 milestone. And if you're throwin' off smoke, what's Mumps [MM]? A freakin' wildfire?! Hot damn! :-o

Duke of Buckingham

10-10-12, 12:04 PM

tyler o. the important is that you crunch something that makes you happy. The most important for me is to feel good with my crunching and know that my Electric Power money is not spend with no return to the human race.

As Factorization is an important tool on the research of molecules and in many other fields of so many sciences, I crunch it. I don't think the points count much (not for me). Points are only a measure of our crunching here in Boinc.

I would change all the points for having a nice discovery that could help other human beings to survive or to live better their lives while they are amongst ourselves. I would change all my points for children to have good water to drink, good foo to eat or only decent air to breath.

The real reason I am here is to work for a better world and meanwhile be happy while I do it.

So crunch anything you may think will serve human race and when you don't know just ask because all projects have someone to defend them and meanwhile: Don't worry, Be happy and of course keep on crunching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

Happy Duke

pinhodecarlos

10-10-12, 01:16 PM

...should try calculating what people are capable of crunching and not just looking at their current output on one project before claiming that they'll never pass you. In the meantime, enjoy passing those of us not even working on the project at the moment. Congrats on the 350,000 milestone. And if you're throwin' off smoke, what's Mumps [MM]? A freakin' wildfire?! Hot damn! :-o

I'll say again, he will never pass me. lol
I am enjoying passing static members, it makes me feel good to go up in the rankings without having to add more machines to my effort. It's fun! :p
Mumps is not of my league, can't tease him. If I do so I will be smoked.
BTW, thank you for your nice words.

Take care. Carlos :cool:.

Fire$torm

10-10-12, 02:49 PM

I'll say again, he will never pass me. lol
I am enjoying passing static members, it makes me feel good to go up in the rankings without having to add more machines to my effort. It's fun! :p
Mumps is not of my league, can't tease him. If I do so I will be smoked.
BTW, thank you for your nice words.

Take care. Carlos :cool:.

Yep, I don't stand a chance of catching you... Yet :P But note that I had 10,444 credits tallied yesterday. My CPU core will be going up a tad in the near future so.....
@tyler o.: I am running NFS mainly because I was asked to help out, so here I am. I've done quite a bit of PrimeGrid, YoYo and Primeboinca so its good to spread the love.

Peace,
F$

Duke of Buckingham

10-11-12, 02:17 AM

458,248

on NFS for 10th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], Dr Dan [Team Musketeers], Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Nuadormrac, Duke of Buckingham SETI.USA, denim, Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Jonathan Brier, Dusso Janladde and tracy.

Together we will accomplish something amazing.

Thank you for your help. Nice to have so many friends together.

I am happy.

http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/02/17/26457/happy.jpg

Duke of Buckingham

10-12-12, 04:30 AM

295,719

on NFS for 11th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], Dr Dan [Team Musketeers], Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Duke of Buckingham SETI.USA, denim, Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], kmanley57, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], tracy, Jonathan Brier.

Together we will accomplish something amazing.

Thank you for your help.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2567/3930956973_31373c1b90_z.jpg

pinhodecarlos

10-12-12, 04:56 AM

Yesterday NFS@Home had a hard drive failure and Greg took the project down to allow the RAID array to rebuild more quickly but in less than 4 hours it was up again. When I got home from my swimming I though my remote machine was dead...lol
The decrease in points was due to this short down from the server side. Tomorrow or maybe today everything will be back to normal.

Duke of Buckingham

10-13-12, 05:53 AM

486,327

on NFS@home for 12th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], Mumps [MM], Mumps [MM], Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], spingadus[MM], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Duke of Buckingham SETI.USA, denim, Dusso Janladde, kmanley57, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], tracy.

Together we will accomplish something amazing with the help of Mumps of course.

Thank you for your help ( mainly to Mumps).

http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/19/37/big,dogs,small,animal,cute,dog-19379279681750f30d16bc2badb42d34_h.jpg

Hello Duke
Hello Mumps

Duke of Buckingham

10-14-12, 02:25 AM

300,680

on NFS@home for 13th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Carlos Pinho, spingadus[MM], Fire$torm [BlackOps], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Duke of Buckingham SETI.USA, PJS, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], tracy, kmanley57, Jonathan Brier and denim.

Together we will accomplish something amazing.

Thank you for your help.

http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/19/37/big,dogs,small,animal,cute,dog-19379279681750f30d16bc2badb42d34_h.jpg

Mumps you are bigger...
Well Duke you are smaller...

Duke of Buckingham

10-15-12, 09:45 PM

493,301

on NFS@home for 14th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], denim, PJS, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], tracy, benderr2001, kmanley57 and Jonathan Brier.

Together we will accomplish something amazing.

Thank you for your help.

Duke of Buckingham

10-16-12, 06:50 AM

468,999

on NFS@home for 15th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], denim, PJS, tracy, benderr2001, kmanley57 and Jonathan Brier.

What is really AMAZING is we made 25M on the Project and are going to move ahead Russia today.

In spite of the tremendous effort and AMAZING output at POEM, we keep on going and now will start the chase of L'Alliance Francophone. Thank you for your help, precious help and amazing output, Mumps this is mainly for you for your impressive work. Thanks, thank you very much.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5LB59jFxYXI/SWzu3fCkoiI/AAAAAAAAAQo/j0Qtxb3ES44/s400/prayer+warrior.jpg

I am smashed for this impressive power we have.

And I am part of this Team, yes I am.

Duke of Buckingham

10-17-12, 06:41 AM

424,676

on NFS@home for 16th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], denim, PJS, tracy, and kmanley57.

We passed Team Russia. Congratulations all.

In spite of the tremendous effort and AMAZING output at POEM, we keep on going and now will start the chase of L'Alliance Francophone. Thank you for your help, precious help and amazing output, Mumps this is mainly for you for your impressive work.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5LB59jFxYXI/SWzu3fCkoiI/AAAAAAAAAQo/j0Qtxb3ES44/s400/prayer+warrior.jpg

Duke of Buckingham

10-18-12, 03:27 AM

386,722

on NFS@home for 17th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], denim, PJS, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps] and tracy.

In spite of the tremendous effort and AMAZING output at POEM, we keep on going and now will start the chase of L'Alliance Francophone. Thank you for your help, precious help and amazing output, very nice work and output from our team mates.

http://twosexes.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/mp900432847.jpg

Duke of Buckingham

10-19-12, 07:22 AM

256,615

on NFS@home for 18th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], denim, Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Dean Loros, tracy, PJS and Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps].

We passed 26M and are now chasing the 6th place and we are not very far, we need 3 or 4 strong days to catch that place to LAF.

I would like for a call for 21 to 24 of this month to then dedicate to simap on a more exclusive way.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6148/5961384239_729c19d50d_b.jpg

pinhodecarlos

10-19-12, 01:28 PM

I think we have a reaction from member Dean Loros...

Duke of Buckingham

10-20-12, 05:08 AM

289,520

on NFS@home for 19th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Carlos Pinho, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], denim, kmanley57, Dean Loros, benderr2001 and tracy.

We need 3 or 4 strong days to catch that place to LAF.

I would like for a call for 21 to 24 of this month to then dedicate to simap on a more exclusive way.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6148/5961384239_729c19d50d_b.jpg

Duke of Buckingham

10-21-12, 06:21 AM

401,896

on NFS@home for 20th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Carlos Pinho, denim, Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], PJS, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Jonathan Brier, tracy, benderr2001, kmanley57 and Kevin McAllister.

I would like for a call for 21 to 24 of this month for those that are not with Team China to dedicate to simap on a more exclusive way to get a convenient GAP to P3D.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6148/5961384239_729c19d50d_b.jpg

Duke of Buckingham

10-22-12, 07:33 AM

417,626

on NFS@home for 21th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Carlos Pinho, denim, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps], PJS, Jonathan Brier and fk&soph.

We are at 3 or 4 days of passing LAF but most of us are now stomping with Team China. Congratulations all for the tremendous effort. Thank you very much to you all.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6148/5961384239_729c19d50d_b.jpg

Duke of Buckingham

10-23-12, 07:54 AM

http://stats.free-dc.org/theme/images//freedc-logo.png

299,708

on NFS@home for 22th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, Fire$torm [BlackOps], Carlos Pinho, denim, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], Mike029.SETI.USA [BlackOps] and PJS.

Congratulations all for the tremendous effort. Thank you very much to you all.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6148/5961384239_729c19d50d_b.jpg

Duke of Buckingham

10-24-12, 03:58 AM

Vacations time. We are stomping with Team China at YoYo Harmonious Trees. We will be back soon. Keep an eye on this project.

http://dark.pozadia.org/images/wallpapers/54585064/Eyes/Fire%20in%20her%20eye.jpg

pinhodecarlos

10-24-12, 12:18 PM

I'm clearing my cache (~1.5 days) so I can start a few post-processing tasks for NFS@Home.

Carlos

Duke of Buckingham

10-29-12, 11:31 AM

http://stats.free-dc.org/theme/images//freedc-logo.png

141,748

on NFS@home for 28th October

Thank you very much to Mumps [MM], AC6WI, denim, PJS, Fogle.SETI.USA [BlackOps], kmanley57, tracy and Jonathan Brier.

Time to make an update to this Project.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6148/5961384239_729c19d50d_b.jpg

Duke of Buckingham

11-06-12, 05:57 AM

We are so close to get one more place at NFS. Only 200k for us to pass LAF and then we have a big gap to Sicituradastra. 23M of gap seems big enough. So that is a long run to make in another time but this little gap seems easy to pass maybe we should try a little effort and go for it.

It is only one day of crunching on our daily credit on one of our best days.

Fogle

11-06-12, 07:31 AM

Sorry Duke I'm sticking to POEM at this time. :(|)

Duke of Buckingham

11-06-12, 07:55 AM

Well Fogle, me to. This is only one update for this project. I know that our main effort is to POEM and simap but 10K yesterday was to small if we want to pass LAF.

We have time for this project on a near future. I just wouldn't like it to be completely forgotten, once Carlos Pinho is very quiet this last times.

I think we have some team mates that could give a burst to this project in one or two days that should be enough to pass LAF as I said the next GAP is for a very strong team effort that we must think if we want to do or not.

We are so small but didn't disappear yet Fogle. Maybe we are not decisive but we always keep on pushing. I would like to have more to push for the team's moral.

I am doing my best. Look at my car. :o
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vbtQG-J8XVE/T03X1nxWFlI/AAAAAAAAJYo/WovoO_LOpMI/s1600/qatar%2Bcheerleader%2Bmask%2Bman%2BDSC_0500.jpg

pinhodecarlos

11-06-12, 11:37 AM

Ricardo, I am doing a post-processing integer for NFS@Home that it is taking me at least 10 days, still 6 days left. Then I might return to sieve.

Casrlos

Mumps

11-06-12, 10:17 PM

Yup. I'm definitely coming back just as soon as SIMAP is complete. My CPU's don't add up to squat on POEM, so I plan on spending a good portion of them here for a while. :)

Duke of Buckingham

11-07-12, 07:45 AM

Very good Mumps.
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/26700000/YOU-ARE-AWESOME-random-26752007-500-320.jpg

and thanks Carlos, for your answer. Make your work man.

pinhodecarlos

11-07-12, 07:49 AM

Post-processing activity can be check here: http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs/crunching.php

pinhodecarlos

11-10-12, 07:15 AM

I unreserved one post-processing task so I can go back to sieve. I am scheduling sieve to start next Tuesday.

Duke of Buckingham

11-10-12, 06:31 PM

Very good Carlos.

pinhodecarlos

01-02-13, 09:58 AM

First time I reached 1M on a boinc project based on CPU credits. If post-processing tasks were credited with boinc points I already would have more than 2M or even 3M.

Carlos

pinhodecarlos

01-06-13, 06:10 PM

Feels good to reach 30k per day on NFS@Home. Let's hope my new life in Brazil will bring me or not luck so I can start building a computer farm.

Fire$torm

01-06-13, 07:34 PM

Feels good to reach 30k per day on NFS@Home. Let's hope my new life in Brazil will bring me or not luck so I can start building a computer farm.

Amen to that!

Mike029

01-07-13, 08:53 AM

Let's hope my new life in Brazil will bring me or not luck so I can start building a computer farm.

+1

pinhodecarlos

01-07-13, 12:17 PM

Tomorrow nigh I will shut down all my computers. The one in my parents home will be forever shutdown at 5 pm GMT...the laptop I don't think it will be stable running in a place with temperatures above 30 ºC (Brazil). When I get a job and a proper place to live with AC I will definitely start to build a farm, little by little.

Last words, it was a pleasure to run NFS@Home under SETI.USA team. I'll be back....

Carlos

Mike029

01-07-13, 03:00 PM

Duke of Buckingham

01-07-13, 06:49 PM

The best of luck on the pursuit of your own destiny.

Ric

denim

01-08-13, 09:19 AM

Good luck Carlos, you laid down some serious credits in a hurry on NFS. Was glad we had a team effort on this project, thanks to your lead. Felt like until you and the challenge, I was mostly on my on for SETIUSA on NFS.

pinhodecarlos

01-08-13, 11:48 AM