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Just out of curiosity, anyone know the numbers on what Nvidia cards will do in lets say....Primegrid.
Ill be more specific to start out. What would a 460 GTX put out VS a 480 GTX?
Maxwell
02-25-11, 09:10 PM
Not sure in exact credit numbers, but this post (http://setiusa.free-dc.org/vbforum/showthread.php?551-Nvidia-Brakedown&p=4820&viewfull=1#post4820) should help...
Just out of curiosity, anyone know the numbers on what Nvidia cards will do in lets say....Primegrid.
Ill be more specific to start out. What would a 460 GTX put out VS a 480 GTX?
I don't know about those cards but the 570 does between 550k-600k per day. Not sure of exact number because I have mine a little OC'd and its doing about 640k per day.
Thx Max, it was. Next dumb question (as you all know, I am full of them). Can 2 Nvidia cards run in a Crossfire MB if one of the cards has a dummy plug?
Maxwell
02-25-11, 09:56 PM
NVidia cards don't need dummy plugs (and I believe it is called SLI mode) - So I can't see why not, but it would be entirely unnecessary...
Indeed, if one has an SLI motherboard it would be in SLI if I "connected" them. Alas, I have a Crossfire motherboard (SLI is Nvidia and Crossfire is ATI) so my question is, can I run 2 nvidia cards in a Crossfire motherboard?
@ Harley. What card are you running? I mean what brand.
Maxwell
02-26-11, 01:21 AM
Indeed, if one has an SLI motherboard it would be in SLI if I "connected" them. Alas, I have a Crossfire motherboard (SLI is Nvidia and Crossfire is ATI) so my question is, can I run 2 nvidia cards in a Crossfire motherboard?
This is where more knowledgeable people than I weight in - but I would guess yes, as long as you didn't run them in SLI mode. Which you shouldn't need to with Nvidia cards (unless you're a HARDCORE gamer)...
@ Harley. What card are you running? I mean what brand.
Its a MSI card.
Indeed, if one has an SLI motherboard it would be in SLI if I "connected" them. Alas, I have a Crossfire motherboard (SLI is Nvidia and Crossfire is ATI) so my question is, can I run 2 nvidia cards in a Crossfire motherboard?
Calling it a CrossfireX or SLI MB is meaningless. Its just a certification. Meaning it has been tested by ATI/AMD or NVIDIA. ATI and NVIDIA build their cards to the PCIe standards. MB manufacturers use the same standards. As long as its not a no-name brand MB you’ll be Ok. In other words its just a marketing scheme.
Fire$torm
02-26-11, 01:06 PM
Calling it a CrossfireX or SLI MB is meaningless. Its just a certification. Meaning it has been tested by ATI/AMD or NVIDIA. ATI and NVIDIA build their cards to the PCIe standards. MB manufacturers use the same standards. As long as its not a no-name brand MB you’ll be Ok. In other words its just a marketing scheme.
+1 WTG Harley.
I was going to post a similar answer yesterday but refrained as I think I've started pissing members off again with my answers. So I'm reverting to watch mode.
Maxwell
02-26-11, 01:10 PM
+1 WTG Harley.
I was going to post a similar answer yesterday but refrained as I think I've started pissing members off again with my answers. So I'm reverting to watch mode.
Who are you pissing off? You always post great information...
Crazybob
02-26-11, 04:01 PM
+1 WTG Harley.
I was going to post a similar answer yesterday but refrained as I think I've started pissing members off again with my answers. So I'm reverting to watch mode.
It's posts like this that really piss me off! JK, who would get pissed at good info?
+1 WTG Harley.
I was going to post a similar answer yesterday but refrained as I think I've started pissing members off again with my answers. So I'm reverting to watch mode.
Don't ever stop posting!
Don't ever stop posting!
Because if you do, we will be pissed.
Fire$torm
02-26-11, 08:09 PM
OK, OK, OK......
I guess I was just reading emotions in replies that just weren't there.
If EVER I DO irk anyone, they can always PM me and I'll lay off.
Peace.
John P. Myers
02-26-11, 08:20 PM
Calling it a CrossfireX or SLI MB is meaningless. Its just a certification. Meaning it has been tested by ATI/AMD or NVIDIA. ATI and NVIDIA build their cards to the PCIe standards. MB manufacturers use the same standards. As long as its not a no-name brand MB you’ll be Ok. In other words its just a marketing scheme.
This is true. There's no additional chip or something on a motherboard that's SLI/Xfire certified. It's just a title. Same with SLI/Xfire certified PSUs. What makes them certified? If they have a 6-pin and 8-pin power connector. That's it. Put that on a PSU and you can get it certified. As Harley said, it's just a marketing scheme.
zombie67
02-26-11, 08:47 PM
My 580 does about 675k/day.
My 580 does about 675k/day.
Is that card OC'd?
zombie67
02-26-11, 09:03 PM
Is that card OC'd?
Stock OC.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127559
A little too rich for my blood but I am eyeballing the MSI GTX 570.........
A little too rich for my blood but I am eyeballing the MSI GTX 570.........
This is the MSI GTX 570 I have.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127568
Its a factory OC edition. Without touching the clocks it does 601k per day on PG. I bumped up my clocks a little and now it does 640k. The best part about this is that its cheaper than MSI's non overclocked GTX 570.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127552
Wow. That is some serious bang for the buck. Let us hope PG NEVER lowers the credits on that Nvidia app! ;)
zombie67
03-02-11, 09:35 PM
FYI, life expectancy of the current GPU sub-projects on PG:
http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=2727
1+ years
Cullen/Woodall (Sieve) will be sieved to optimal depth. (still gathering data)
Proth Prime Search (Sieve) will be sieved to optimal depth. (will transition to 3M-6M sieve)
kheinicken
03-03-11, 10:10 PM
Good thread but I thought this as about graphics in a corvette or something.
Good thread but I thought this as about graphics in a corvette or something.
That's how I lure you in! >:)
And I am still looking to see if anyone is crunching with a GTX 470 and what numbers they are getting.
Maxwell
03-03-11, 10:50 PM
And I am still looking to see if anyone is crunching with a GTX 470 and what numbers they are getting.
I've got a GT240, so if you about double it... ;)
I've got a GT240, so if you about double it...
And what kind of credits are you getting with that card?
Maxwell
03-04-11, 01:07 AM
I've got a GT240, so if you about double it... ;)
And what kind of credits are you getting with that card?
Poor attempt at a bad joke - I can get ~65k/day on PG with it, but I would expect the 470 to be upwards of 250k... Someone with the card would have to test it, though.
Bump......... I am now eyeballing this card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133344
Anyone got any thoughts about it?
Maxwell
03-10-11, 04:59 PM
Bump......... I am now eyeballing this card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133344
Anyone got any thoughts about it?
Good price - Will PG very well for you...
Good price - Will PG very well for you...
Yeah, for that price and what I think it will crunch in PG, I could not pass it up. Well, that is the last of my tax return money. :(
Fire$torm
03-10-11, 05:33 PM
Bump......... I am now eyeballing this card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133344
Anyone got any thoughts about it?
Like AMD, I'm not an Nvidia guy having owned ATI's since their Win98 card......
I was wondering if you saw the Newegg customer review from Buzz?
“Just wanted to update. I in fact did unlock this to a gtx 470. These are the cards with the black pcbs.”
I was wondering if you saw the Newegg customer review from Buzz?
Heck yeah! That is one of the reasons (and the price) I pulled the trigger on this card. Even if I just get the Blue, it is still a great crunching card, but if I get the Black......(this is the part where I smile real big). Then again, with my luck, it will be DOA. :(
Fire$torm
03-10-11, 07:01 PM
Heck yeah! That is one of the reasons (and the price) I pulled the trigger on this card. Even if I just get the Blue, it is still a great crunching card, but if I get the Black......(this is the part where I smile real big). Then again, with my luck, it will be DOA. :(
Sweet! So you know what I'm gonna say next, Right???
Don't forget the PICs!!! :D
Sweet! So you know what I'm gonna say next, Right???
Crunch long and prosper? ;)
Found this today: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/sys/2263993700.html Is this a good deal?
Maxwell
03-14-11, 06:31 PM
Found this today: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/sys/2263993700.html Is this a good deal?
Newegg has it for double that, so I would say yes...
Ok, I have looked at the Nvida breakdown charts and on paper, it seems that the GTX 295 will outperform a GTX 465. Does anyone have any real world experience with these 2 cards?
Maxwell
03-14-11, 10:09 PM
I want to say zombie67 has a 295, but I could be completely wrong about that. It was certainly a beast back in the day (it is a dual GPU card), but I'm not sure about now.
zombie67
03-14-11, 10:41 PM
I want to say zombie67 has a 295, but I could be completely wrong about that. It was certainly a beast back in the day (it is a dual GPU card), but I'm not sure about now.
Yeah, I had one. But the power consumption is stupid high. And the performance was wildly inconsistent. May have been defective. In any case, the 580 is WAY stupid faster. Many times over. Skip the 4xx and go with a 5xx, IMO.
Well, I am looking at the 295 at $150. Cant afford a 580 at this time so I am asking if it is worth (in crunching terms) $150?
zombie67
03-14-11, 10:50 PM
Well, I am looking at the 295 at $150. Cant afford a 580 at this time so I am asking if it is worth (in crunching terms) $150?
I don't look at crunching costs based on purchase cost. That is a drop in the bucket over 2-3 years. The real cost is power. At least for me and where I live. For my small farm, I spend over $1k/month in electricity just for the crunching. So a $500 card that is 3-5x faster, and uses the same power or less is a no brainer.
Maxwell
03-14-11, 10:54 PM
Well, I am looking at the 295 at $150. Cant afford a 580 at this time so I am asking if it is worth (in crunching terms) $150?
I probably would. But that's me. I need a cruncher's support group, though...
Well since purchase cost IS a factor for me, I shall presume that the power cost is too high for a GTX 295. I spent $140 on a GTX 465 that will be here tomorrow and I guess I will have to deal with the power requirements when I hook it up.
Maxwell
03-14-11, 11:04 PM
Well since purchase cost IS a factor for me, I shall presume that the power cost is too high for a GTX 295. I spent $140 on a GTX 465 that will be here tomorrow and I guess I will have to deal with the power requirements when I hook it up.
I think power is going to be your bigger issue. I forgot you got the 465 - I'd probably skip the 295 then... though it is a bit of a shame to pass up...
though it is a bit of a shame to pass up...
Your telling me. I almost want to pick it up (even though I have no slots for it) just to have it to sell to someone on the team. Seems like a steal at that price.
I thought the 460 cards were pretty sweet performance / watt? Maybe I'm remembering "wrong" from some reviews I read, but I seem to remember when that one came out, many were breathing a sigh of relief that not ALL NVIDIA cards were power hogs...I have no idea where it sits in points / day, though.
Update. Got the GTX 465 today and it is indeed the Black version. :D Got it crunching PG with a slight OC (ok, a 100MHz bump in the clock speed) for the first couple of days just to burn it in. Used MSI Afterburner to up the fan speed and it looks like there is MASSIVE room for OCing. I will now have to research how to flash the BIOS to a 470.
Fire$torm
03-16-11, 10:05 PM
Update. Got the GTX 465 today and it is indeed the Black version. :D Got it crunching PG with a slight OC (ok, a 100MHz bump in the clock speed) for the first couple of days just to burn it in. Used MSI Afterburner to up the fan speed and it looks like there is MASSIVE room for OCing. I will now have to research how to flash the BIOS to a 470.
Yipeeeeee!!! <:-P <:-P <:-P
Things went from great to poopy. After about 1.5 hours, the system with the GTX 465 in it crashed. Crashed as in froze. Reboot hoping it was just a bug. Lasted a whole 10 minutes then crashed again. Now it wont even load everything on boot up before it crashes. Tried safe mode........crash. Cant even reinstall drivers. Drop the 4870 back in and all is just fine. And to add injury to insult, my system with the 5830 and 5850 in it is going wacko as well. Keeps telling me about every 8-10 hours that the video drivers have "failed" and stops crunching. This may be the part where I fall on my sword.
Fire$torm
03-17-11, 01:27 AM
Things went from great to poopy. After about 1.5 hours, the system with the GTX 465 in it crashed. Crashed as in froze. Reboot hoping it was just a bug. Lasted a whole 10 minutes then crashed again. Now it wont even load everything on boot up before it crashes. Tried safe mode........crash. Cant even reinstall drivers. Drop the 4870 back in and all is just fine. And to add injury to insult, my system with the 5830 and 5850 in it is going wacko as well. Keeps telling me about every 8-10 hours that the video drivers have "failed" and stops crunching. This may be the part where I fall on my sword.
D@mn, what a major PITA. Sorry to hear it.
So like besides the routine checks, I would run CPUID's Hardware Monitor or similar on both boxes. Use it to check temps, voltages and anything else it can record to a log until the box poops out. Maybe run SysInternals Process Explorer at the same time just to see what is going on under the hood. I'm sure there are better tools for what I'm suggesting but these are the ones I know.
Good luck.
http://www.geforce.com/#/Hardware/GPUs/geforce-gtx-560ti/overview
Might want to check this new nVidia card. It is supposed to be in stores today at $149.
http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=41125&CatId=3669
Discounts already on the EVGA card or they have an oc'ed one for $159.
I don't know about those cards but the 570 does between 550k-600k per day. Not sure of exact number because I have mine a little OC'd and its doing about 640k per day.
Interesting. I was running a GTX 580, until the fan died and was only gettting 100,000 a day. Must not of been running Prime Grid. When I get the RMA'd card back, I'll try it.
Thanks.
Maxwell
03-17-11, 08:52 PM
Interesting. I was running a GTX 580, until the fan died and was only gettting 100,000 a day. Must not of been running Prime Grid. When I get the RMA'd card back, I'll try it.
Thanks.
Yeah, give PrimeGrid (the PPS Sieve subproject) a shot - that 580 should get you ~680k/day there.
Yeah, give PrimeGrid (the PPS Sieve subproject) a shot - that 580 should get you ~680k/day there.
Nice. With my 5870 running DNET, that should put me over a Million a day.
Thanks for the advice,
Dan
Ok, next question. I got the GTX 465 working perfectly (so far) on a different system. I got the black version and everything I read says that the BIOS can be flashed to a GTX 470 with no problem. The "bar" in MSI Afterburned starts at 607MHz and goes all the way up to 916MHz core freq. Tried running it up to 916MHz but when I did, the sensors told me it had actually down clocked to 403MHz and the PG WUs ran alot slower so I set it to 700MHz and it crunches units in 16 minutes. So this leads me to conclude that once I get the card BIOS flashed, I should be able to OC this thing to its full potential. Oh yeah, there was a question.....I have never flashed a BIOS on a video card before so I was wondering if anyone had some guidance for me?
Maxwell
03-17-11, 09:35 PM
@Dan - Nice work! I like that plan. How many machines are you running?
@Joker - I found this link (http://www.overclock.net/nvidia-drivers-overclocking-software/407404-how-flash-nvidia-cards-windows.html) that may help...
John P. Myers
03-17-11, 09:42 PM
Ok, next question. I got the GTX 465 working perfectly (so far) on a different system. I got the black version and everything I read says that the BIOS can be flashed to a GTX 470 with no problem. The "bar" in MSI Afterburned starts at 607MHz and goes all the way up to 916MHz core freq. Tried running it up to 916MHz but when I did, the sensors told me it had actually down clocked to 403MHz and the PG WUs ran alot slower so I set it to 700MHz and it crunches units in 16 minutes. So this leads me to conclude that once I get the card BIOS flashed, I should be able to OC this thing to its full potential. Oh yeah, there was a question.....I have never flashed a BIOS on a video card before so I was wondering if anyone had some guidance for me?
Actually, the reason the card clocked down when you tried to set it to max speed is because it crashed. It's part of their built in safety features. The reason it clocked down could be that at 916MHz, cooling wasn't adequate and after it reached 105C, which may have only taken a couple seconds, it immediately lowered the frequency to keep from frying itself. It could also be that the voltage didn't support the card running that fast and every computation it did errored out. Changing the BIOS may not solve this issue, as it normally happens for physical reasons instead of software.
If the voltage was increased to support that speed, then it's very possible you had electron jumping within the chip that also would cause everything to error out. Just because it allows you to overclock by 50% doesn't mean it'll be stable at 50%.
@Joker - I found this link that may help...
Thx Max. That post is from 2007 so it is still applicable to modern cards?
Maxwell
03-17-11, 09:50 PM
+1 to what JPM said - just because the software lets you, doesn't mean you should overclock that high. For my 5970s, Afterburner lets me go up to 1000, but I've never gotten it stable above 850 (currently at 825). I would suggest starting from stock, then going up in small (~20MHz) increments, checking temps, WU errors, etc. along the way.
And I believe what the BIOS flash does is unlocks extra shaders/cores (I may be wrong - someone correct me if I am) on the card. The clock is a separate issue...
EDIT: I think it is, joker, but here (http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/752214-guide-how-flash-gtx465-gtx470.html)is a better link, I think...
Good info JPM. I am more looking for the BIOS update to increase my stream processors. I have read that a flash (with this card) will increase/unlock them from 352 to 448. Dont know if this is true or not but I would like to find out. That would be a pretty good OC in and of itself and any MHz increase would be a bonus.
I think you are right Max as far as the BIOS flash.
@Dan - Nice work! I like that plan. How many machines are you running?
@Joker - I found this link (http://www.overclock.net/nvidia-drivers-overclocking-software/407404-how-flash-nvidia-cards-windows.html) that may help...
I'm running two i7 boxes with Bonic running 24X7, except when I'm gaming.
Now something new. Every time my screen saver kicks in, the WUs take hours then get a computational error. Anyone ever have this problem?
huh....must be screwing up the data somehow. I NEVER have a screen saver - it takes some CPU power that could be going to my BOINC account! heh! ;) I always just go into the power settings and make it turn off the monitor after 5 min.
See if that works for you, maybe?
Life is not that easy for me right now. I used to have the monitor turn off but then one day, for some reason I have yet to figure out, me monitor would not turn off. That message that tells you that your monitor is working but is getting no signal would just stay on the screen. dont want that burning into the screen. Ok, I say FU, i'll just turn off the monitor! Power switch on the monitor went goofy after about the third time I turned it off and it took me 10 minutes of pounding on the key to finally get it to come back on so I dare not turn it off again. ~X( And on top of it, I decided to switch 5830 cards in the machine that is giving my trouble to see if that would fix it and now I cant get Crossfire or dummy plug to work. b-( Windows, MSI afterburner and GPU-Z all tell me that there are 2 cards but CCC just refuses to find the second card and so BOINC is only using one of them.
Maxwell
03-18-11, 08:18 PM
Sounds like you need a baby or two to punch, joker...
Try this:
1. Uninstall CCC and everything ATI-ish. Do not restart.
2. Driver Sweeper (use 2.9.0). Restart.
3. Control panel - Device manager - Display Adapters. Right click and uninstall. If it asks you if you want to delete driver software, say yes.
4. Restart.
5. It will detect the cards - let it, then restart when it prompts you.
6. Download CCC 10.10 (this one has always played nicely with me).
7. Install 10.10. Restart.
8. It should prompt you if you want to use Crossfire - leave that box checked.
9. BOINC should see two cards. Hopefully...
Fire$torm
03-18-11, 08:30 PM
huh....must be screwing up the data somehow. I NEVER have a screen saver - it takes some CPU power that could be going to my BOINC account! heh! ;) I always just go into the power settings and make it turn off the monitor after 5 min.
See if that works for you, maybe?
+1 You could have the screen go blank or have it go sleep.
Sounds like you need a baby or two to punch, joker...
Try this:
1. Uninstall CCC and everything ATI-ish. Do not restart.
2. Driver Sweeper (use 2.9.0). Restart.
3. Control panel - Device manager - Display Adapters. Right click and uninstall. If it asks you if you want to delete driver software, say yes.
4. Restart.
5. It will detect the cards - let it, then restart when it prompts you.
6. Download CCC 10.10 (this one has always played nicely with me).
7. Install 10.10. Restart.
8. It should prompt you if you want to use Crossfire - leave that box checked.
9. BOINC should see two cards. Hopefully...
Ditto
Ok Max, your instructions got me up and running again. Thank you! >:D< I tried the 10.9, 10.12, and the 11.2 drivers and none of them worked. Only the 10.10 ones. :-?? Now.......will the new cards play nice together and crunch full time....stay tuned to find out! X_X
Maxwell
03-18-11, 11:51 PM
Ok Max, your instructions got me up and running again. Thank you! >:D< I tried the 10.9, 10.12, and the 11.2 drivers and none of them worked. Only the 10.10 ones. :-?? Now.......will the new cards play nice together and crunch full time....stay tuned to find out! X_X
Glad you got it working! They should be rocking pretty good for you... keep us posted on how it works!
im interrested to hear if you unlock the cores sucessfully. nice card joker!
Update: The GTX 465 in its first FULL day of running (about freaking time) at stock settings (ok with a 100MHz overclock) has produced just over 400K credits today. Not bad for $140. I wish they were still in stock so all of you could buy one.
Happy to have "most" of my video cards working. Just to throw it out there.....anyone got an extra AM2 motherboard with at at least one PCI-E Slot laying around? I still have a 5830 card sitting on my desk because one of my systems wont run high end cards and the rest of them are full. It would replace a 4870 so it would add an additional 100K+ to the team.
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