The XXXLs are back:)

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02-19-12, 02:58 PM
Bikermatt

The XXXLs are back:)

Hey all, RNA world has tasks that run between 200 to 800 hours depending on your system and give 4X credit. The drawback is that these tasks do NOT checkpoint!

They are actually called XXL tasks at RNA world but about every 50th XXL will be one that runs over 150 hours and I call those XXXLs! Normal tasks receive 2X credit but tasks that run a very long time get 4X credit. If you have a reliable system and power they can be quite profitable. My power is not very reliable and I do not have a UPS so I only run one or two of these tasks at once and abort the rest. I am planing on getting a UPS for one system and running these exclusively though because they pay so well.:)

JagDoc is making lots of credit with a modest farm by running these tasks exclusively. Some of the tasks he is turning in are earning over 100 credits per hour which is pretty good compared to some projects.

http://www.rnaworld.de/rnaworld/show...php?userid=980

Anyway, just a little plug for a project I like that I like.:D Keep crunching!!
02-19-12, 07:16 PM
Mike029

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bikermatt

Hey all, RNA world has tasks that run between 200 to 800 hours depending on your system and give 4X credit. The drawback is that these tasks do NOT checkpoint!

They are actually called XXL tasks at RNA world but about every 50th XXL will be one that runs over 150 hours and I call those XXXLs! Normal tasks receive 2X credit but tasks that run a very long time get 4X credit. If you have a reliable system and power they can be quite profitable. My power is not very reliable and I do not have a UPS so I only run one or two of these tasks at once and abort the rest. I am planing on getting a UPS for one system and running these exclusively though because they pay so well.:)

JagDoc is making lots of credit with a modest farm by running these tasks exclusively. Some of the tasks he is turning in are earning over 100 credits per hour which is pretty good compared to some projects.

http://www.rnaworld.de/rnaworld/show...php?userid=980

Anyway, just a little plug for a project I like that I like.:D Keep crunching!!

The no check point scares me. 8-x

I may try a couple on my 24/7 box
02-20-12, 09:38 PM
Bikermatt

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

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Originally Posted by Mike029

The no check point scares me. 8-x

Yes, I have lost tasks with over 400 hours crunched before due to power bumps or my own stupidity. The power bumps are usually less than a second so I have a UPS on the way that should account for 99% of the power problems. The getting stupid is another thing that I will have to tackle eventually also. :P
02-21-13, 04:33 AM
STE\/E

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

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Originally Posted by Bikermatt

Hey all, RNA world has tasks that run between 200 to 800 hours depending on your system and give 4X credit

They can run way longer that the 800 Hr's Matt, I've got some at 100 Hr's and haven't reached 10% yet, hope I don't have an Outage [-O< It's really ridiculous that there''s no Checkpointing on Wu's that run this long ... :-q

EDIT: About the Checkpointing, the Wu's may have it now, BoincTasks show Checkpoints & I can Suspend the Wu's & then restart them & they take off from where they left off at & I can run other Wu's along side the RNA Wu's that will suspend the RNA Wu's with no loss of Hr's ... I haven't checked at the Forum to see about the Checkpointing. They do Pay good though, I seen 1 914 Hr Wu that paid 100k in Credit ... I see they ask for extensions on the Deadlines at the Forum too & YoYo Grants them as the Deadlines aren't long enough on many of the Wu's ...
02-21-13, 05:48 PM
Slicker

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

Just out of curiosity, 2x or 4x credit compared to what? Does it pay better than DiRT?
02-21-13, 07:34 PM
zombie67

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

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Originally Posted by Slicker

Just out of curiosity, 2x or 4x credit compared to what? Does it pay better than DiRT?

2x or 4x the rate that they normally pay. They have a small number of very long tasks. They don't checkpoint (or least they did not used to), so you could easily lose a huge amount of crunching time due to something like a power glitch. To offset losses, and to keep people from leaving, they offer bonus credits for the long ones.
02-21-13, 07:38 PM
zombie67

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

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Originally Posted by STE\/E

EDIT: About the Checkpointing, the Wu's may have it now, BoincTasks show Checkpoints & I can Suspend the Wu's & then restart them & they take off from where they left off at & I can run other Wu's along side the RNA Wu's that will suspend the RNA Wu's with no loss of Hr's

Assuming you have "Leave tasks in memory while suspended?" set to yes, then it does not matter if a task checkpoints. It will always resume where it left off, when just suspending/un-suspending.

The real test is quitting BOINC. If the task resumes where it left off after quitting/re-starting BOINC, then you will know for sure if it is checkpointing.
02-21-13, 07:46 PM
zombie67

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

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Originally Posted by Bikermatt

Hey all, RNA world has tasks that run between 200 to 800 hours depending on your system and give 4X credit. The drawback is that these tasks do NOT checkpoint!

If I remember back in 2011, when I was crunching RNA, I had a handful that ran over 800 hours. I think the longest was 930 hours. I wish I could recall the pay out exactly. I think it was around 100k.
02-22-13, 02:26 AM
STE\/E

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

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Originally Posted by Slicker

Just out of curiosity, 2x or 4x credit compared to what? Does it pay better than DiRT?

They must Normally only pay about 12-15 Credits per hour as I'm only getting around 45 per hour now with their 2x-4x increase in Pay. So far I haven't had any fail so I'm okay with the Credit, all I want is the Hours run for the WUProp Badge's, the Credit a Project gives doesn't mean anything to me anymore ...
03-02-13, 05:34 AM
STE\/E

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

Just noticed 1 of 6 RNA Wu's had finally reached 100% & it's the short one of the 6 I guess. It's at 224 Hr's now but don't know how long it will run at 100% before finishing. I know the Lattice Wu's can run 100 Hr's or more at 100% before finally finishing. The other 5 RNA Wu's are all over 200 Hr's too with one about to go over 300 Hr's & none of the 5 have reached 20% done yet ... I'll need to ask for an extension on the Deadlines on all 5 in a few days over at the RNA Forum ... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...olleyes008.gif
03-02-13, 10:44 AM
Duke of Buckingham

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

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Originally Posted by STE\/E

Just noticed 1 of 6 RNA Wu's had finally reached 100% & it's the short one of the 6 I guess. It's at 224 Hr's now but don't know how long it will run at 100% before finishing. I know the Lattice Wu's can run 100 Hr's or more at 100% before finally finishing. The other 5 RNA Wu's are all over 200 Hr's too with one about to go over 300 Hr's & none of the 5 have reached 20% done yet ... I'll need to ask for an extension on the Deadlines on all 5 in a few days over at the RNA Forum ... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...olleyes008.gif

I let my computer open to all attached projects and downloaded one of those that is expected to run for about 1200/1300 hours. Let us see how it works. Never made one before, I mean a very large and long XXL.

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03-09-13, 01:08 AM
STE\/E

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GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I lost about 2000 Hr's on the Box that was running 5 RNA Wu's ~X( It must have rebooted it's self around 40 Hr's ago & the Wu's reset to to 0 Hr's again but had built up to 40 Hr's again. Good thing is I got Credit for all the Hr's at WUProp & now have 2800+ Hr's for the RNA Project. I was tired of running them anyway & shouldn't have had 5 on 1 Box for just the very reason the Box could reboot & it finally did. I know the Lattice Garlic Wu's I only run 1 on a box for that reason but didn't realize the RNA Wu's ran that long ... :rolleyes: ... I really can't believe they don't have Checkpointing on these Wu's, not very considerate of the Participants but then that's the way most Projects are ...
03-09-13, 01:34 AM
Duke of Buckingham

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yeha they have a checkpoint around 1 minute and then must run to the end that is not good for me. Some times they do inversion to the electric power that just restart my computer. I had to give up after a lot of crunching. It is a pity but I can not do nothing about it.
03-09-13, 09:17 AM
zombie67

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

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Originally Posted by STE\/E

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I lost about 2000 Hr's on the Box that was running 5 RNA Wu's ~X( It must have rebooted it's self around 40 Hr's ago & the Wu's reset to to 0 Hr's again but had built up to 40 Hr's again. Good thing is I got Credit for all the Hr's at WUProp & now have 2800+ Hr's for the RNA Project. I was tired of running them anyway & shouldn't have had 5 on 1 Box for just the very reason the Box could reboot & it finally did. I know the Lattice Garlic Wu's I only run 1 on a box for that reason but didn't realize the RNA Wu's ran that long ... :rolleyes: ... I really can't believe they don't have Checkpointing on these Wu's, not very considerate of the Participants but then that's the way most Projects are ...

That's why they award like 4x the credits. It's to cover all the likely restarts. You could have that happen two more times, and still come out even.
03-10-13, 07:58 PM
Al

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I have 13 days on one XXL. Three more days to go. [-O< It's running on my Q6600, my slowest, but most stable rig. What amazes me is Progress Energy hasn't dropped the ball so far...none of their normal momentary blip outages. I have 2 more XXL's running, but the deadlines are both on March 18th. One has 34 days to finish and the other 142 days...WTF? Guess I'll let them run and see if I can get some wuprop credit.

Edit: The last 13% just completed, 3 days ahead of schedule. Now just wait for validation. This wu hasn't had too good of luck from the looks of it. Is this pretty normal on these long wus?

25 Jan 2013 14:18:06 UTC 25 Jan 2013 16:00:46 UTC Error while computing 113.14 0.00 0.00 --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
25 Jan 2013 8:56:38 UTC 28 Jan 2013 15:15:48 UTC Client detached 0.00 0.00 --- --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
26 Jan 2013 5:48:39 UTC 26 Jan 2013 6:04:24 UTC Error while computing 17.05 0.75 0.00 --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
26 Jan 2013 6:02:48 UTC 15 Feb 2013 6:02:48 UTC Timed out - no response 0.00 0.00 --- --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
27 Jan 2013 13:20:23 UTC 27 Jan 2013 16:23:36 UTC Aborted by user 3,296.91 3,163.90 15.99 --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
29 Jan 2013 11:04:10 UTC 18 Feb 2013 11:04:10 UTC Timed out - no response 0.00 0.00 --- --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
28 Jan 2013 21:25:08 UTC 17 Feb 2013 21:25:08 UTC Timed out - no response 0.00 0.00 --- --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
21 Feb 2013 21:11:11 UTC 21 Feb 2013 21:14:49 UTC Aborted by user 72.53 52.73 0.44 --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
22 Feb 2013 0:01:14 UTC 22 Feb 2013 0:31:10 UTC Error while computing 6.21 0.64 0.00 --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
22 Feb 2013 0:19:18 UTC 23 Feb 2013 4:58:51 UTC Aborted by user 667.39 521.64 1.85 --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
22 Feb 2013 5:36:58 UTC 14 Mar 2013 5:36:58 UTC In progress --- --- --- --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
22 Feb 2013 5:45:57 UTC 14 Mar 2013 5:45:57 UTC In progress --- --- --- --- cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
23 Feb 2013 14:35:00 UTC 11 Mar 2013 1:21:16 UTC Completed, waiting for validation 1,201,720.31 1,084,083.80 7,351.32 pending cmsearch XXL (long) 1.0.2 v0.32
03-11-13, 02:00 AM
STE\/E

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

Al, you can ask for an Extension on the Deadline's in the Message Board >>> http://www.rechenkraft.net/phpBB/vie...p?f=75&t=10717 I had asked a few day's earlier before my system rebooted and the Wu's restarted at 0:00 Time ... I've started some new ones but only 1 on a Box in case of another reboot ...
03-11-13, 01:09 PM
Al

Re: The XXXLs are back:)

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Originally Posted by STE\/E

Al, you can ask for an Extension on the Deadline's in the Message Board >>> http://www.rechenkraft.net/phpBB/vie...p?f=75&t=10717 I had asked a few day's earlier before my system rebooted and the Wu's restarted at 0:00 Time ... I've started some new ones but only 1 on a Box in case of another reboot ...

Thanks Ste\/e. I'm trying to register at their boards, but they're not sending the activation email. Nothing in the spam folder either. I'll keep trying.
03-20-13, 10:57 AM
Al

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Originally Posted by Al McAdams

Thanks Ste\/e. I'm trying to register at their boards, but they're not sending the activation email. Nothing in the spam folder either. I'll keep trying.

Never could get registered. These 2 wus got cancelled by RNA, but remained on my computer. Wuprop showed over 700 hrs pending. I suspended both and reset the project. Amazingly wuprop credited me with all pending hours...whew! Took the xxl project to ruby on wuprop.