CPU Rumors

[John P. Myers]

It appears the high end AMD Ryzen 1800X will retail for ~$499. 8c/16t 3.6GHz base. 95W TDP. This chip has been shown in some benchmarks to be within just a few percentage points of an Intel i7-6900K which costs ~$1050.

Ryzen is expected to be released later this month/early next month.

[STMahlberg]

That's the thing I love about AMD, its not so price restrictive that Intel can be.

[zombie67]

It appears the high end AMD Ryzen 1800X will retail for ~$499. 8c/16t 3.6GHz base. 95W TDP. This chip has been shown in some benchmarks to be within just a few percentage points of an Intel i7-6900K which costs ~$1050.

Ryzen is expected to be released later this month/early next month.

AMD is going to use hyper threading? Is this new?

[John P. Myers]

AMD is going to use hyper threading? Is this new?

Yes it is new. AMD will actually have real cores beginning with this series of CPUs.

[Bryan]

That's the thing I love about AMD, its not so price restrictive that Intel can be.

Now that Intel actually has some competition maybe they won't be quite as proud of their CPUs! Before they had the fastest game in town so they could price them accordingly .. this is great news.

[Fire$torm]

Damn, I need a second job.....

[scole of TSBT]

Intel 7nm chips in the future. Maybe not rumor worthy yet.

[DrPop]

I *REALLY* hope AMD has a winner this time. Not that I don't like my Intel CPUs, but I always like the competition and man, it would sure be nice to have that kind of firepower for a lower price too. I wonder if they will have any version of AVX?

[John P. Myers]

Also hearing all Ryzen CPUs, while stating a boost frequency, will actually have unlimited boost and will depend on the temperature of the CPU. Basically it will keep overclocking itself until it reaches a certain temperature, so the better cooling you have, the faster your CPU will run.

[Mumps]

Um, that sounds like a fail waiting to happen. Imagine a chip where certain bits get flakey at much lower temps, but the chip insists it can keep overclocking beyond that point because the overall temp is "fine." I hope they have an ability to set a limit regardless of temp or that it learns from "unexpected" crashes/reboots.

[John P. Myers]

Um, that sounds like a fail waiting to happen. Imagine a chip where certain bits get flakey at much lower temps, but the chip insists it can keep overclocking beyond that point because the overall temp is "fine." I hope they have an ability to set a limit regardless of temp or that it learns from "unexpected" crashes/reboots.

I'm sure there will be some limit, but until the chips are available for testing, we won't know what to expect in real world conditions. TDP will be the limiter, but what that specifically translates to in clock rate i have no idea yet. However, even a conservative 10% above boost would be quite nice without pushing it too hard.

Got confirmation that not every Ryzen CPU will have this capability. Will be limited to the ones with "X" in the model number.

Here's a pricing/spec table:
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[John P. Myers]

Intel is now threatened by AMD CPUs and knows it. The price war has begun.


Intel Core i7-6950X ($1599 US) – $300 Price Cut
Intel Core i7-6900K ($999 US) – $200 Price Cut
Intel Core i7-6850K ($549 US) – $150 Price Cut
Intel Core i7-6800K ($359 US) – $140 Price Cut
Intel Core i7-5820K ($319 US) – $100 Price Cut
Intel Core i7-7700K ($299 US) – $80 Price Cut
Intel Core i7-6700K ($259 US) – $140 Price Cut
Intel Core i7-4790K ($279 US) – $90 Price Cut
Intel Core i7-7700 ($289 US) – $50 Price Cut
Intel Core i7-6700 (259 US) – $90 Price Cut
Intel Core i5-7600K ($199 US) – $70 Price Cut
Intel Core i5-6600K ($179 US) – $$90 Price Cut
Intel Core i5-4690K ($189 US) – $70 Price Cut
Intel Core i5-7500 ($189 US) – $30 Price Cut
Intel Core i5-6500 ($179 US) – $50 Price Cut
Intel Core i5-4590 ($159 US) – $60 Price Cut
Intel Core i3-7350K ($159 US) – $20 Price Cut
Intel Core i3-7100 ($114 US) – $15 Price Cut
Intel Core i3-6100 ($109 US) – $20 Price Cut
Intel G4400 ($49.99 US) – $20 Price Cut
Intel G3258 ($49.99 US) – $27 Price Cut

*Prices from MicroCenter

[Mumps]

Begun? Isn't it just resuming after a long hiatus? :))

[John P. Myers]

Begun? Isn't it just resuming after a long hiatus? :))

True. That is more accurate :D

[MindCrime]

I wonder how much of a hand "Optane" will have in Intel's 7th gen CPU prices. Maybe none, and the Optane drive will pick up the difference. I'm reading speculation that it'll be around $2/gb, and this is suppose to be your primary disk?

[John P. Myers]

I wonder how much of a hand "Optane" will have in Intel's 7th gen CPU prices. Maybe none, and the Optane drive will pick up the difference. I'm reading speculation that it'll be around $2/gb, and this is suppose to be your primary disk?

Intel pretty much requires you to have a regular HDD along with Optane, though they don't use those exact words. They promise SSD-like performance if you do that, even though you've been able to buy hybrid HDD/SSDs from WD and Seagate for years now. Also with the price of SSDs dropping quite a bit lately, affording good capacity isn't so much of an issue anymore.

And it's not just a 7th Gen CPU, you also must have the 200 series chipset and a free m.2 slot for this ridiculousness.

[MindCrime]

Yeah but... "Its ram speed storage"

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[Mumps]

"10 times faster than existing SSD Storage."

[John P. Myers]

"10 times faster than existing SSD Storage."

Sure, but due to Intel's claims about how much faster each new CPU gen since Sandy Bridge was supposed to be compared to how much faster it actually was, i've labeled it as "marketing hype" in my head :)

Worth pointing out they're comparing their speed to *SATA* SSD speeds, not m.2 SSD speeds which are already 6x faster than the fastest SATA 3 SSDs. I'm yawning at Intel over this.

[MindCrime]

Sure, but due to Intel's claims about how much faster each new CPU gen since Sandy Bridge was supposed to be compared to how much faster it actually was, i've labeled it as "marketing hype" in my head :)

Worth pointing out they're comparing their speed to *SATA* SSD speeds, not m.2 SSD speeds which are already 6x faster than the fastest SATA 3 SSDs. I'm yawning at Intel over this.

yeah seems like might next storage solution will be an m2 solution as it'll be the best value of (density/speed)/$

next main desktop probably along the lines of 4790(k)/m.2/Rx(400/500)

[John P. Myers]

Rumor has it AMD is working on a 16 core/32 thread Ryzen aimed at desktops instead of servers in an effort to completely dethrone Intel. Judging by the performance of the Ryzen 1800X, a 16 core CPU would easily beat Intel's $1700 6950X but cost $1200 or less.

We shall see if this is true or not within a month or so.

[Mumps]

Sure, but if I have to install Windows 10 to use it, what's the point? :rolleyes:

[Al]

Sure, but if I have to install Windows 10 to use it, what's the point? :rolleyes:
I'm sure it will run Linux. :)

[DrPop]

I really hope they do this. Competition is good for EVERYONE (yes, even Intel because it gets enthusiasts into buying into all kinds of upgrade cycles again!) and we will all benefit.

[John P. Myers]

Micron is coming out with their own version of Optane called QuantX later this year. The benefit of it is they're trying to get manufacturers to add it to their SSDs so it will work on any platform the SSD is compatible with. Intel's Optane is only compatible with Kaby Lake and newer.

Edit: Optane will not support acceleration of non-boot drives, or drives in RAID. It also will not work on 100 series or older motherboards. It will not work on any AMD motherboard. Sequential write speed is only 280MB/s, much slower than a SATA SSD, however sequential read can hit 1200MB/s, more than twice as fast as a SATA SSD but less than half the speed of a modern M.2 SSD (for example, the Samsung 960 EVO hits 3200MB/s read and 1500MB/s write).

[John P. Myers]

https://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2017-04-24/specs.png

It's available finally. The reviews are out and as expected, an M.2 SSD easily beats it. In some cases, a SATA SSD does too, though occasionally there are small benefits there