AMD Radeon HD 7970 Quad CrossFireX Stomps...

[DrPop]

*Drool* Wonder how much liquid Nitrogen costs? :D :)) :p

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970-3DMark-ATI,14413.html

[Fire$torm]

To dream...........

[John P. Myers]

*Drool* Wonder how much liquid Nitrogen costs? :D :)) :p

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970-3DMark-ATI,14413.html

liquid nitrogen is cheap. cheaper than milk. keeping it cold might cost you a bit though :)

[Crazybob]

Let's pitch in and get 2!

[Slicker]

All of my CPUs and GPUs are nitrogen cooled. After all, air is 78% nitrogen!

[Fire$torm]

All of my CPUs and GPUs are nitrogen cooled. After all, air is 78% nitrogen!

Hahahahaha.... Touche!

[DrPop]

All of my CPUs and GPUs are nitrogen cooled. After all, air is 78% nitrogen!

LOL! :D I guess some "nitrogen" is just a little more efficient than others. ;) :cool:

[John P. Myers]

Standard 925MHz 7970 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150585)

1000MHz edition (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150586)

[DrPop]

JPM - is AMD going to make a "dual GPU" card with this, like the 5970 and 6990 were? Or will it exceed the capabilities of the mobos if they do that for this latest one?:confused:

[John P. Myers]

Rumor is they'll make one. My gut tells me they will too. How can you pass that up? lol As for exceeding motherboard capabilities, remember the 7000 series uses PCIe 3.0. Of course if your motherboard is only PCIe 2.0, which most are, you may see a performance decrease (in gaming, not crunching), though it won't be very significant. It's kind of like plugging a SATA 3 hard drive into a SATA 2 port. No big deal.

As for the PCIe wattage specs, yes the 7990 would be over 300W, which is the "limit", but both AMD and Nvidia have both already crossed this limit in the past with the HD 6990 and Nvidia GTX 590, so i don't see that being something that hold them back either. I wouldn't be too shocked if a 7990 reference card popped up at CES in the next few days :)

[DrPop]

Rumor is they'll make one . . . I wouldn't be too shocked if a 7990 reference card popped up at CES in the next few days :)

SWEET! :D Thanks. Is it correct that NVIDIA's next salvo is months off yet - like mid summer?:confused: I have to make a plan here and stick a picture of this on my vision board when it comes out. >-)

[John P. Myers]

yeah it's looking like Nvidia won't have Kepler ready until Q2, but, regarding AMD's 7000 series, Nvidia did say “Kepler is much better than that“. No one is able to confirm if Kepler is even going to make an appearance at CES, but we'll find out tomorrow at 4pm PST at their press conference. Hopefully the CEO won't be holding up another fake card this year :p

[STE\/E]

Out of Stock already on all the 7970 Cards, no big deal though as better Cards will come out ...

[coronicus]

Aye cant wait to have a couple of these.. gonna have to sell off my two 6950 for em hopefully i can recoup some cost once the stock on these card finally meet the demand so i dont pay and arm and a leg for one... +$600 is way to much for one

[Mike029]

Aye cant wait to have a couple of these.. gonna have to sell off my two 6950 for em hopefully i can recoup some cost once the stock on these card finally meet the demand so i dont pay and arm and a leg for one... +$600 is way to much for one

I wonder how much improvement in crunching Moo the 7970 will be over the 5870? That will determine whether I'll get a couple. If it is only 20% or so it won't be worth it.

[DrPop]

Our 5870s will finally seem long in the tooth crunching wise. There won't be a comparison. ;)
The 5870 has 2,720 GFLOPS @ 188W for a whopping 14.47 GFLOPs/WATT. An unbeatable card for years.

The new 7970 has 3,789 GFLOPS @ 250W for an even better 15.16 GFLOPS / WATT. That is a 40% performance increase in GFLOPS, without going to dual GPU card or using another PCI-e slot! I think a lot of people that are kind of dismissing this card are forgetting how many watts you had to throw at previous generation cards to get that kind of performance out of it before. Yes, it's damn expensive. Yes, there will be better cards in the future, but for right now - this is a pretty sweet card. Hopefully NVIDIA's Kepler will be "all that" and more . . . and then we'll have real GPU competition again! I also can't wait to see them come out with a dual GPU beast based on this thing:D

The other thing is that the new architecture, CGN, will be a lot more "crunching friendly" than the old VLI architecture. So, when compilers and code gets up to speed on the new stuff, we should see an even bigger jump in the new cards than their strict GFLOPS comparison suggests.

Also one other thing to note - for a project like MilkyWay that requires double precision, the new 7970 has roughly 75% higher double precision GFLOPS than our 5870s do. ;)

[STE\/E]

Had a chance to order 2 Regular XFX Editions but passed, I'll wait for the Dual Fan Model which will hopefully run cooler.

[DrPop]

Had a chance to order 2 Regular XFX Editions but passed, I'll wait for the Dual Fan Model which will hopefully run cooler.

And here I thought you were holding out for the dual GPU version of this beast! X_X :D ;)

[STE\/E]

And here I thought you were holding out for the dual GPU version of this beast! X_X :D ;)

I'll try the Single Core 1'st & if I like it I'll maybe get 1 or 2 Dual Core Models. So far Newegg & AMAZON is the only place I've seen them, AMAZON is charging $40 more than Newegg so I can wait until Newegg has the Model I want at a lower price. Usually I don't get the new models until they've been out several month's anyway, price settles down by then & their in good supply.

[Fire$torm]

I'll try the Single Core 1'st & if I like it I'll maybe get 1 or 2 Dual Core Models. So far Newegg & AMAZON is the only place I've seen them, AMAZON is charging $40 more than Newegg so I can wait until Newegg has the Model I want at a lower price. Usually I don't get the new models until they've been out several month's anyway, price settles down by then & their in good supply.

Also waiting a spell means the manufactures have had time to discover and correct any bugs that will crop up.

[DrPop]

I agree with both you there - I do want one of these, or depending on the price/performance ratio, the future dual GPU version of this - but even if I had the cash today for it, I would wait a bit. I'm sure we've all been burnt before by pulling the trigger a hair too soon.:p:o

[Tank_Master]

Had a chance to order 2 Regular XFX Editions but passed, I'll wait for the Dual Fan Model which will hopefully run cooler.

from the reviews I have seen on that, it runs hotter actually, but much quieter. if your going to stack multiple of these cards together, forget it, it doesn't have adequate ventilation.

[Tank_Master]

Just a heads up, newegg has the sapphire and diamond GPUs in stock again. I just ordered one of the sapphire GPUs from there :D

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102961

[Fire$torm]

Just a heads up, newegg has the sapphire and diamond GPUs in stock again. I just ordered one of the sapphire GPUs from there :D

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102961

And it is out of stock again.............. :))

[Tank_Master]

And it is out of stock again.............. :))

HAHA to funny. Well, at least the diamond is still in stock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103201

[Mike029]

HAHA to funny. Well, at least the diamond is still in stock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103201

Damn Tank you bought them all??? ;) Good to see you around again... Old School on the boards.....

[Tank_Master]

Damn Tank you bought them all??? ;) Good to see you around again... Old School on the boards.....

no, i just bought one, but seeing what they are going for on e-bay and amazon, I am kinda regretting not getting more and trying to sell them... >:)

And thx!. Yeah, I am not on the boards that often, but I am almost always in our IRC chat.

[DrPop]

Just a heads up, newegg has the sapphire and diamond GPUs in stock again. I just ordered one of the sapphire GPUs from there :D

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102961

Tank! Man, so good to see you on here! You crunching SIMAP with us for the challenge? :D Please let us know how the new card performs, it looks awesome!

[Tank_Master]

i got simap running, but LHC and NRG have work atm also, so doing those as well...

Also, newegg is all sold out again :D

[Fire$torm]

TANK!!! Yaaaa Hooooo!!!!!!!!!!


i got simap running, but LHC and NRG have work atm also, so doing those as well...

Also, newegg is all sold out again :D

That works for me. Every bit helps so thank you :-bd

[Mike029]

i got simap running, but LHC and NRG have work atm also, so doing those as well...



Sounds good. Thanks for anything you can spare.

[STE\/E]

I ordered 2 of the XFX 7970's last night from tigerdirect.com, they had them in stock (out now) & I usually get anything I order from them the next day if I order by Noon or in 2 day's anyway. They already shipped last night so I should have them tomorrow afternoon. I decided to go ahead and get 2 now & if I like them possibly 2 later on when better models come out. I'm so anemic in the ATI Dept & needed some more ATI's & now that I waited for them to come out I may as well get a few for now anyway & wait & see what NVIDIA has to offer hopefully in the mid-year ...

[Mike029]

I ordered 2 of the XFX 7970's last night from tigerdirect.com, they had them in stock (out now) & I usually get anything I order from them the next day if I order by Noon or in 2 day's anyway. They already shipped last night so I should have them tomorrow afternoon. I decided to go ahead and get 2 now & if I like them possibly 2 later on when better models come out. I'm so anemic in the ATI Dept & needed some more ATI's & now that I waited for them to come out I may as well get a few for now anyway & wait & see what NVIDIA has to offer hopefully in the mid-year ...

Congrats Steve. Keep us posted on their performance vs your 5870. \m/

[STE\/E]

Will do, I'm a little leery right now though, sometimes these New Generation Cards don't work right away at the Projects. I remember sending some back because they wouldn't run the Wu's & the Projects didn't have any Idea when they would be able to ... |-)

[STE\/E]

Check out the NVIDIA Fan Boy Review: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131452


Pros: Slightly faster than a nVidia 8800 GTX

Cons: Is easily destroyed by nVidia GTX 580

Other Thoughts: Well what can I say, a real disappointment, dis card get stomped by nVidia last gen, nViidia be the champ, ATI be the loser, and the card gets hot, by this I mean it is too hot to touch, why I can't pick it up without burning my hand? If I have animal in house I can't let it close to card very dangerous.

Please go nVidia it is the only true solution for gamer.


No way can the Card be as bad as he say's, I have 580's & 590's too & they get hot, especially the 590, I've had 8800 GTX's too & their extremely slow compared to today's Cards.

Personally I've never been a Fan of either ATI or NVIDIA, I've had plenty of both & like both & just go with what gets me the best results without Dissing either ...

[spingadus]

Personally I've never been a Fan of either ATI or NVIDIA, I've had plenty of both & like both & just go with what gets me the best results without Dissing either ...

The voice of reason.

Being a fanboy makes no sense to me. I go with the best product for my needs.

[Fire$torm]

Check out the NVIDIA Fan Boy Review: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131452.........

LOL, Newegg deleted his review. Guess they allow only so much BS to be posted, thankfully.

[STE\/E]

Yeah, some people write reviews & don't even own the Cards ... :-@

[John P. Myers]

So at Nvidia's press conference yesterday, nothing was said about Kepler. They just went on and on about Tegra 3, which is pretty impressive, but doesn't help us out :/

[DrPop]

Ah, bummer then. OK, it looks like for the time being, the high end 7000 series from AMD will be where the best GFLOPS / Watt is, right? Can't wait to see when and what price the dual GPU version of this baby debutes at! :D

[Mike029]

So at Nvidia's press conference yesterday, nothing was said about Kepler. They just went on and on about Tegra 3, which is pretty impressive, but doesn't help us out :/

That's their phone cpus, right?

[STE\/E]

lol ... Been stewing all day because I found out the XFX 7970 doesn't carry a Double Lifetime Warranty anymore like many of the 6xxx & 5xxx Cards did, this was a good selling point when it came time to resell them. It doesn't even carry a Lifetime Warranty for the Original Owner either, just a 2 Year Warranty. Was considering returning them, went to tigerdirect and checked my Order & low & behold I didn't order the XFX Model but the VisionTek 7970 Model which does carry a Lifetime Warranty unless they drop it too but for now anyway it's Lifetime for me anyway ... :cool:

[DrPop]

lol ... low & behold I didn't order the XFX Model but the VisionTek 7970 Model which does carry a Lifetime Warranty unless they drop it too but for now anyway it's Lifetime for me anyway ... :cool:

Haha! That's awesome. ;) I really hope this one is as good for crunching as the specs show it should be. How long do you think it will take the coding on the software to get up to speed for the new CGN architecture? I read the whole article about it at Anandtech, and it sounds like a big step forward for AMD in the crunching arena. Glad they finally will have something to battle the CUDA force in that market. NVIDIA has needed some "real" competition there for a long time.

[STE\/E]

Flint, MI, United States 01/11/2012 7:04 A.M. Out For Delivery :D

[Mike029]

Flint, MI, United States 01/11/2012 7:04 A.M. Out For Delivery :D


SWeeeeet!!!!

[coronicus]

:(( no fair (stomps feet) I want one 8-> but i think at this moment my choice is wife or card and well gonna have to give in to the wife for the moment untill she crosses me >:)

[DrPop]

Flint, MI, United States 01/11/2012 7:04 A.M. Out For Delivery :D

Waaaaaaahoooooooooo! :D I am so hoping this card lives up to or beats the numbers! :cool:

[Fire$torm]

Flint, MI, United States 01/11/2012 7:04 A.M. Out For Delivery :D

Awesome!!!

[Tank_Master]

not looking promising...

http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=2778&nowrap=true#22941

Moo, MW and Prime Grid don't run as is on a 7970.

Collatz appears to be running ok, WUs are completing, am awaiting validation by wingmen to see if it completed correctly.

MW and PrimeGrid PPS Sieve fall over quickly - in the first few seconds, so with luck shouldn't be too hard to find out the cause. The 7970s at least run on Collatz - await confirmation of validation - so its likely all will be well in the once there is time to focus on adjusting existing packages to keep things going until GCN can be properly brought into play.

See what the next couple of weeks brings ....

Regards
Zy

[coronicus]

what driver version are you using... think there is a beta 12.xx if i remember corectly

[STE\/E]

not looking promising...

http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=2778&nowrap=true#22941

Moo, MW and Prime Grid don't run as is on a 7970.

Collatz appears to be running ok, WUs are completing, am awaiting validation by wingmen to see if it completed correctly.

MW and PrimeGrid PPS Sieve fall over quickly - in the first few seconds, so with luck shouldn't be too hard to find out the cause. The 7970s at least run on Collatz - await confirmation of validation - so its likely all will be well in the once there is time to focus on adjusting existing packages to keep things going until GCN can be properly brought into play.

See what the next couple of weeks brings ....

Regards
Zy

That's what I was Afraid of them not working at the Projects, well if Collatz works anyway it's something to run them on until the other Projects can be run ...

[STE\/E]

Although the 7970's Zydor ran at Collatz didn't Validate they did run them quite fast 9-10 Min's ... No point in even installing the ones I'm getting if there's no place to run them ... :(

[Fire$torm]

Although the 7970's Zydor ran at Collatz didn't Validate they did run them quite fast 9-10 Min's ... No point in even installing the ones I'm getting if there's no place to run them ... :(

Ste\/e, it might be a lot to ask but Crunch3r is really good at optimizing apps, so maybe drop him a line and see if he can help recode an app or two. Though he is not currently a team member he did register on this forum a couple of weeks back. You can also find him at http://www.mpits.net/

[STE\/E]

I just talked to tigerdirect, if I refuse the Order it will only cost me the $8-$9 Shipping Charge to me, they were just Delivered & I refused the Shipment. Think I'd rather return them & wait until they are capable of running at all the Projects rather than just have them sitting here doing nothing, probably can get a better deal in a few weeks anyway once the initial rush to buy them dies down ... ;)

[Fire$torm]

I just talked to tigerdirect, if I refuse the Order it will only cost me the $8-$9 Shipping Charge to me, they were just Delivered & I refused the Shipment. Think I'd rather return them & wait until they are capable of running at all the Projects rather than just have them sitting here doing nothing, probably can get a better deal in a few weeks anyway once the initial rush to buy them dies down ... ;)

Total bummer.

Ya know, if this happens to you again, you could always just do a redirect to my house...... :D

[STE\/E]

http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_doubleup.gif Right, will do ... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_ghey.gif

[Tank_Master]

I will probably be using both the 6970 and 7970 for a while if it does end up projects don't like the new card, and just hold off on selling my 6970.

[Mike029]

http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_doubleup.gif Right, will do ... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_ghey.gif

LOL!! Damn, F$ beat me to it. I figured you'd have just sold them on ebay. They are selling for higher than they were on Newegg.

[STE\/E]

LOL!! Damn, F$ beat me to it. I figured you'd have just sold them on ebay. They are selling for higher than they were on Newegg.

Easier to just return them and eat the $8 Shipping Charge, would have had to sell them for over $600 to get my money back on AMAZON or Newegg after they take their share of the Sale & the Shipping I would have had to pay for ... Why anybody would pay more for them when they can be had at Newegg & Tigerdirect right now is beyond me ...

[Mike029]

Easier to just return them and eat the $8 Shipping Charge, would have had to sell them for over $600 to get my money back on AMAZON or Newegg after they take their share of the Sale & the Shipping I would have had to pay for ... Why anybody would pay more for them when they can be had at Newegg & Tigerdirect right now is beyond me ...

Ahh, yeah. Forgot about their cut. :o

[DrPop]

Yeah, I'm thinking we do need to get in touch with Crunch3r somehow and ask him if he thinks he or someone can do some coding of the apps for the new GCN architecture. I'm sure in time it will be worth the money for the new AMD cards if they can maximize their potential. :cool:

[Bryan]

I'm not sure but I thought that PG ATI was OpenCL. I haven't run the ATIs there in a VERY long time. POEM is OpenCL but the CPU and GPU loading really suck!

According to MW you can run the Nvidia OpenCL program on the ATIs and it works. Doing wu in about 60 seconds. Slower than a 5870 but better than collecting dust!

[Tank_Master]

poem and albert work fine on the 7970, though albert is having issues with the validator, and its only validating 7970s against other 7970s... As mentioned above, yes, using the NVidia openCL app seems to be working for MW, I am completing a task in about 50 sec. I haven't tried other projects yet.

[STE\/E]

I finally picked up several VisionTek HD 7970's, trouble is the Drivers won't install for Windows XP 64-Bit, I tried the 12.1a Drivers for Win XP 64-Bit & Drivers directly from the VisionTek Site for Windows XP 64-Bit.

All that installs is the Install Manager as far as I can tell, looks like the Drivers are there but not in the System where they need to be ... Getting ready to pull the Card out for now ...

[DrPop]

So lame...:p:mad:

[STE\/E]

Downloading some new WHQL Drivers released today, the other Drivers may not have even been for use ? but the ones from VisionTek should have been I would think ...

[Mike029]

Downloading some new WHQL Drivers released today, the other Drivers may not have even been for use ? but the ones from VisionTek should have been I would think ...

AMD seems to always have this problem with drivers and new gpu's.

[STE\/E]

Nope, same as the other Drivers Installs the Drivers never actually get installed just placed in the C:\AMD Directory but not in the System Directories ... I contacted VisionTek about it but won't hear from them for a day or 2 I suspect ... I may need to go to Windows 7 anyway eventually to see the full potential of the 7970's since their a 384 Bit Card & Windows XP 64-Bit is only a 256 Nit System, I think anyway, but wanted to try them in the XP System first, may not matter for just BOINC'ing ... ???

[Fire$torm]

Nope, same as the other Drivers Installs the Drivers never actually get installed just placed in the C:\AMD Directory but not in the System Directories ... I contacted VisionTek about it but won't hear from them for a day or 2 I suspect ... I may need to go to Windows 7 anyway eventually to see the full potential of the 7970's since their a 384 Bit Card & Windows XP 64-Bit is only a 256 Nit System, I think anyway, but wanted to try them in the XP System first, may not matter for just BOINC'ing ... ???

Well if you would like to test Win7 for 3 months before buying it, have a look at this post ---> http://www.setiusa.us/showthread.php?1121-Barebone-Kit&p=10870&viewfull=1#post10870

[STE\/E]

I'll keep that in mind, want to try to get them to work with XP if at all possible 1'st ... Thanks

[STE\/E]

Spent the last 3-4 Hr's messing with the 7970 on Win XP 64 Bit :-B there's actually Drivers for Win XP 64-Bit on the CD that comes with the 7970. They are the only ones I've been able to get to install so far but that's about it. It takes forever to Boot up with the Drivers from the CD (5-10 Min's) & once booted up it's just stuck in 640x480 mode I think it is & the ccc won't come up to function. If I use the display properties to try and get to 1600x1200 mode the screen goes blank & I have to reboot again. I tried other latest drivers but they don't even install 12.1 WHQL was the latest, just get BSOD when using them & memory dumps after 5-6 Min's of being in Windows XP 64 Bit ... Will wait for response from VisionTek to see what they have to say before making any decisions about the Cards.

EDIT: Will put the NVIDIA Card back in for now until I hear from VisionTek or some other solution comes up as the X980E Box is just sitting there now dead in the water & not running BOINC ...

[Fire$torm]

Damn. Ste\/e that just blows goats. It seems being an early adopter can be a pain.

It occurred to me that one issue with your card might have something to do with it being PCIe 3.0 compliant. Maybe WinXP doesn't understand the hardware and is freaking out. Just a thought.....

[STE\/E]

Bright Boys at VisionTek, first response to me was what Card was I talking about :rolleyes: I gave them the Model # thought that might be a good indication on what card it was ...

[Fire$torm]

Bright Boys at VisionTek, first response to me was what Card was I talking about :rolleyes: I gave them the Model # thought that might be a good indication on what card it was ...

Hahahahaha... OH GAWD! That is soooo sad.

[STE\/E]

Well I got Win 7 64 Bit installed on one of my X980E Box's (Still Hate Win 7) & the 7970 Drivers that came on the CD Work, not quite sure what version of driver it is but will check later if I keep Win 7 on the Box. Can't get the Wireless USB Adapter working, downloaded what I thought were the proper drivers from the Belkin site with a Internet Connected Box but still no go after installing them on the Win 7 Box so I have no Internet Connection on the Box yet.

What I hate most about Win 7 is that it's just as bad as Linux with all the restrictions to do anything, I can't even change MSI Afterburner to unofficial mode 0 to 1 because Win 7 says I don't have permission to do that. Is there any way to give myself Complete Permission to do anything I want with or in Win 7 ???

Worse comes to worse I'll just Format the drive & reinstall Win XP & forgo using the 7970's until possibly a proper driver comes out for WIN XP, but I can't live with not being able to do what I want with a OS ...

[DrPop]

Huh. Win7 always found way more drivers for my stuff than XP, so guess I never ran into that snag. Type in UAC into the little run box off the start menu, and click on the resulting link, and turn it off. Next thought is, are you logged in as Admin? I'm guessing that you're just logged in as a regular user name.

Here is a good link with only 2 quick steps you have to do to login as administrator and he has pictures of the screen for each step! ;)
http://maximumpcguides.com/windows-7/log-on-windows-7-as-administrator/

That should solve as much of your permissions problems as possible!
Also, you can usually use Vista64bit and sometimes even XP64bit drivers on low demand hardware like a USB wireless, and it will work.

[STE\/E]

Huh. Win7 always found way more drivers for my stuff than XP, so guess I never ran into that snag. Type in UAC into the little run box off the start menu, and click on the resulting link, and turn it off. Next thought is, are you logged in as Admin? I'm guessing that you're just logged in as a regular user name.

Here is a good link with only 2 quick steps you have to do to login as administrator and he has pictures of the screen for each step! ;)
http://maximumpcguides.com/windows-7/log-on-windows-7-as-administrator/

That should solve as much of your permissions problems as possible!
Also, you can usually use Vista64bit and sometimes even XP64bit drivers on low demand hardware like a USB wireless, and it will work.

Okay DP that got me going anyway, I tried the Drivers for the USB Net Adapter that I use on Win XP & it worked so at least now I got it connected to the Net. Now I need to know How to adjust the settings for System Restore, it's taking up so much space I hardly have any left on the C:\ Drive ??? ... Probably be tomorrow before I get BOINC Running on it again or at least late tonight, have to go away for awhile so I won't be able to mess with it for some Hr's again ... Thanks

[Fire$torm]

Okay DP that got me going anyway, I tried the Drivers for the USB Net Adapter that I use on Win XP & it worked so at least now I got it connected to the Net. Now I need to know How to adjust the settings for System Restore, it's taking up so much space I hardly have any left on the C:\ Drive ??? ... Probably be tomorrow before I get BOINC Running on it again or at least late tonight, have to go away for awhile so I won't be able to mess with it for some Hr's again ... Thanks

Right-click the "My Computer" icon either on your desktop or in the Windows Explorer folder tree (Left-hand Column) and select "Properties". This will bring up the System page of Control Panel. In the left column click "Advanced System Settings". On the pop-up windows that appears click on the tab labeled "System Protection". There you will find the settings for system restore.

To make Win7 life easier. Disable UAC completely. Click the Start Menu button (Blue Orb) and in the search box the appears just above it type UAC. Click the link "Change User Account Control Settings" that appears at the top of the list. In the pop-up window move to control slider to the bottom and then click the OK button. No more stupid Windows messages.

More cool stuff:
Lifehacker-Lifehacker's Complete Guide to Windows 7 (Link (http://lifehacker.com/5386953/lifehackers-complete-guide-to-windows-7))

Lifehacker-The Best Windows Tweaks that Still Work in Windows 7 (Link (http://lifehacker.com/5384603/the-best-windows-tweaks-that-still-work-in-windows-7))

Lifehacker-Windows 7 Lets You Customize Your Logon Background (Link (http://lifehacker.com/5170758/windows-7-lets-you-customize-your-logon-background))

Lifehacker-Ultimate Windows Tweaker Updates, Improves Windows 7 Support (Link (http://lifehacker.com/5313116/ultimate-windows-tweaker-updates-improves-windows-7-support))

Techspot-Enable Windows 7's Hidden "God Mode" (Link (http://www.techspot.com/guides/236-windows-god-mode/))

[DrPop]

F$ beat me to it. ;) Let us know how you get on with it, and if you have any more questions!

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Thanks for the Links F$ & the help DP, some of them I already had & some not from installing Win 7 on my Laptop last year but that was more a set it & forget it thing so I never messed with it much. Installing Win 7 on more box's will get me to be more familiar with the OS I guess so the Links will help as I mess with it ... Almost had BOINC running on it last night but for some reason it installed it in the wrong place even though I told it where to Install it so I could just take off from where I was with Win XP. I thought I did but might have messed up as I was Mentally wore out from trying to get things to work, think the only thing I need to do now is get BOINC running & Activate the OS then see what Project/Projects I can get the 7970's to run right on ...

EDIT: Need to get the 2 Win 7 Box's to Share with each other too, they Share with the XP Box's but not with each other yet, made some Sharing changes so will go start the other Win 7 Box back up again & see if that worked or not ...

[DrPop]

In the advanced sharing options, make sure you have password sharing turned OFF. (It is ON by default). This will help sometimes.

Also, it is really simple to do if they are on the same HomeGroup. Did you set one up yet? Very nice way to share with Win7 - makes it a breeze, really so I would suggest doing one. :o

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In the advanced sharing options, make sure you have password sharing turned OFF. (It is ON by default). This will help sometimes.

Also, it is really simple to do if they are on the same HomeGroup. Did you set one up yet? Very nice way to share with Win7 - makes it a breeze, really so I would suggest doing one. :o

I thought I had a Homegroup set up but who knows, I had the passwoed shut off on 1 Box but not the other so I shut that one off too, there's so many freaking options & menus to sift thru it's easy to have different things checked. One Win 7 Box can see the other one but has no access to the files, the Other Win 7 Box doesn't even see the other Win 7 Box, D'oh. You'd think if 1 can see the other then that one would see the other one too ... Good old Microsoft making it Twice as hard each succeeding OS that comes out & professing all along their making it a easier user experience ... :p

I have BOINC CPU Wu's running on the Box but no GPU Wu's yet, gonna try Collatz or Poem 1'st & see what happens, Slicker released some files & some guys say they work sooooo I'll give it a try ...

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I think I know the problem why one can see the other one but that one can't see the other one. One isn't joined to the Homegroup but wants me to give it a Password from the other one before it will let me join that Box to the Homegroup. I have Sharing Password Turned off on both Win 7 Box's so there should be no Password needed ???

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The 2 Win 7 Box's see each other now & I can access files on both of them with each other so that's fixed anyway. Now BOINCView & BoincTasks can't see the other Win 7 Box for some reason. The Win 7 Box that I use to Monitor my box's see's it's self but not the other Win 7 Box with either BOINCView or BoincTasks so it's probably something that needs to be added to the one that it can't see ??? Advanced Permissions or something like that ??? I need to fix that first before installing Win 7 on any more Box's or I'll end up not being able to Monitor any of them ... #-o

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The 2 Win 7 Box's see each other now & I can access files on both of them with each other so that's fixed anyway. Now BOINCView & BoincTasks can't see the other Win 7 Box for some reason. The Win 7 Box that I use to Monitor my box's see's it's self but not the other Win 7 Box with either BOINCView or BoincTasks so it's probably something that needs to be added to the one that it can't see ??? Advanced Permissions or something like that ??? I need to fix that first before installing Win 7 on any more Box's or I'll end up not being able to Monitor any of them ... #-o

That is probably do to your firewall as BOINC uses RPC (Remote Procedure Call) for remote communications. But RPC is not secure and has quite a few vulnerabilities so most firewalls block RPC by default. Check firewall settings for something like "Allow RPC" or "Trusted Computers". Enabling either will allow RPC exchanges.

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That is probably do to your firewall as BOINC uses RPC (Remote Procedure Call) for remote communications. But RPC is not secure and has quite a few vulnerabilities so most firewalls block RPC by default. Check firewall settings for something like "Allow RPC" or "Trusted Computers". Enabling either will allow RPC exchanges.

Probably is something to do with the Firewall's in the 2 Win 7 Box's, I shut off the Firewall & now can monitor the 2 Win 7 Box's again with BOINCView or BoincTasks. That's something I do on all my Win XP Box's too as soon as I install the OS or re-install the OS & it solves a lot of problems but hadn't done it on the 2 Win 7 Box's yet. I looked around for RPC Settings or Trusted Computers but couldn't find anything. No big deal for me to have the Firewalls turned off as there's nothing on my Computers of any importance or use to anyone unless they want to look at BOINC Files ... lol

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Create a rule on each machine in the Windows 7 firewall to allow incoming TCP protocol on port 31416 from any computer.

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Create a rule on each machine in the Windows 7 firewall to allow incoming TCP protocol on port 31416 from any computer.

I've done TCP, Subnet & IP Range Rules but if the Firewalls are on in the 2 Win 7 Box's then none of the other Computers can see them & BOINCView & BoincTasks can't see them either. Tried leaving the Home Firewall on & Public off same thing ...

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I've done TCP, Subnet & IP Range Rules but if the Firewalls are on in the 2 Win 7 Box's then none of the other Computers can see them & BOINCView & BoincTasks can't see them either. Tried leaving the Home Firewall on & Public off same thing ...

OK, I think I found it reason. According to the Microsoft|TechNet article: Create Inbound Rules to Support RPC... (Link (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc947809%28WS.10%29.aspx)) and a Blog by Jeff Graves: Using RPC custom port range with Windows Firewall (Link (http://www.orcsweb.com/blog/jeff/using-rpc-custom-port-range-with-windows-firewall/)) the problem is due to Svchost.exe and Lsass.exe. Which makes sense as most if not all network communication is done through these two services. They sorta act as a proxy service for most network calls. Anyhoot, give the TechNet article a good read. It should point you in the right direction. Just realize the only port you need to worry about is 31416.

Hope this helps.

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Okay I'll take a look at the article, Thanks F$ ...

Have both 7970's running in 1 Box, was running Milkyway all day, from my calculations the 2 7970's should be able to get 600k plus a day. Running POEM on them right now as I want to hit a few MM's there & it will take time to do it even with the added 7970's. Looks like POEM & Milkyway & Collatz are the only 3 Projects right now that the 7970's can be run at but that should increase as the Dev's work out problems using them at their Projects.