donate@home: DA is blackballing the project

[zombie67]

I posted this here (http://donateathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=9&nowrap=true#255), but I thought I would let you all know what is going on.



No stats updated at the moment.

Yes they are. You can see them for yourself here:

http://donateathome.org/stats/

The problem is that DA is actively encouraging stats sites to not carry this project (black ball), and some of the stat sites are going along with it. This is a bad and *wrong* decision, IMO. Stats sites should publish the data, full stop. Stats sites should be completely neutral, and not in the business of making value judgements on projects. That belongs exclusively to the individual crunchers. This sets a very bad precedent. Again, all IMO.

[Bok]

I'm sure you read my post back to the mailing list..

[Fire$torm]

Oh lardy..... Reminds me of "As The Stomach Turns" - the Carl Burnett parody of day time soap operas. Hilarious stuff there. Guess I'm showing my age......

[zombie67]

Oh lardy..... Reminds me of "As The Stomach Turns" - the Carl Burnett parody of day time soap operas. Hilarious stuff there. Guess I'm showing my age......

Tug your earlobe!

[zombie67]

I'm sure you read my post back to the mailing list..

Yep. Looks like you and I are pretty much on the same page here.

[Fire$torm]

I have a question. Does it state anywhere in BOINC's Terms of Use that only pure science projects are acceptable? Aqua@Home wasn't a pure science project. Also I do not recall A@H sharing any hard data with the public. And we all know there are other BOINC projects currently running with the ultimate goal of turning a profit.

BTW: Thank you Z for the heads up. I have been on the dev mailing lists for awhile now but haven't made the effort to keep up. Time to change that.

[spingadus]

Hmm, I must have missed this, I don't see any discussion about this in the boinc_dev or boinc_projects mailing lists.

[Bok]

It's the boinc_stats mailing list.

[spingadus]

Ah, k thanks, i'm not on that one.

[zombie67]

No, there is no "pure science" clause...as if that could be defined anyway. Which brings me back to why stats sites need to be neutral. Let the user decide.

FWIW, there have been for-profit projects in the past (e.g. Artificial Intelligence), that have used BOINC. Completely legal. donate@home, also for-profit, is used for funding research. But that is an FYI. Makes no difference in the ability to use BOINC.

IMO, this is just DA trying, actually proclaiming, that he is the dictator on what BOINC stats gets published.



Bok: Taking a completely neutral stance here - A meaningless computation to one person might be fairly interesting to another, where would we draw the line and who would do that ?
DA: I would, and the line is: if the results of a computation are discarded, it's meaningless. Meaningless projects should be excluded from stats sites.

Remember, this BOINC development is funded by us, the US taxpayer....

[{KWSN}Gemjunkie[TeaM]]

Then DNETC, Moo! and Pirates should be excluded too. Totally meaningless results.

[STE\/E]

I know I posted in this Thread early this morning but the Post is gone now, am I being Modded ... No sense in Posting anymore if that's the case ... :mad:

[Bryan]

Willie has made the decision to NOT show Donate stats.

http://boincstats.com/forum/forum_thread.php?id=7113#109260

[Bok]

I know I posted in this Thread early this morning but the Post is gone now, am I being Modded ... No sense in Posting anymore if that's the case ... :mad:
It may be that the post did not make it through. I'm being DOS'd right now.

Taking steps to try to stop it whilst keeping the forums up.

Nobody is being modded at all.

Bok

[{KWSN}Gemjunkie[TeaM]]

I know I posted in this Thread early this morning but the Post is gone now, am I being Modded ... No sense in Posting anymore if that's the case ... :mad:

Are you absolutely sure you didn't just hit 'preview'? I've done that more than once going back and forth between forums, some have 'submit' on the right side, some on the left. If I'm in a hurry and don't look closely. :p

[Fire$torm]

It may be that the post did not make it through. I'm being DOS'd right now.

Taking steps to try to stop it whilst keeping the forums up.

Nobody is being modded at all.

Bok

So this is how the BOINC "Purists" respond to those who like to keep an open mind? How is this mindset any different from that of say President Bashar al-Assad?

Anyhow, BOK I am really sorry "they" are treating you in such a shameful manner. Let us know if there is anything we can do to help.

F$

[spingadus]

I know I posted in this Thread early this morning but the Post is gone now, am I being Modded ... No sense in Posting anymore if that's the case ... :mad:

Didn't a drive go bad last night? Maybe that's why? or did you mean the boinc_stats mailing list thread?

[Fire$torm]

I know I posted in this Thread early this morning but the Post is gone now, am I being Modded ... No sense in Posting anymore if that's the case ... :mad:

Nope. As far as I know you weren't.

[Bok]

So this is how the BOINC "Purists" respond to those who like to keep an open mind? How is this mindset any different from that of say President Bashar al-Assad?

Anyhow, BOK I am really sorry "they" are treating you in such a shameful manner. Let us know if there is anything we can do to help.

F$
I don't think it's related, at least I'd hope not. Nobody has really said anything. I voiced my opinion on the mailing list and that's where I stand. I believe in the stats sites being independent and users having the choice.

I believe other sites can choose their own ways too. Personally it's always been my stance that if a project publishes stats we can use them too. I don't wait for 'permission' at all. If they don't want them published protect them :)

Bok

[zombie67]

Willy was just about to cave, and add the project to his stats. He wrote a message about how it is inevitable, since he has to compete with other stat sites who will carry it. Then DA came back and asked him not to, and then asked all the other stats stats to remove it. I think Willy is right on this point. As long as there is at least one stats site that does carry it, the rest will eventually have to do the right thing and carry it too.

I really hate the attitude behind DA's (and Willy's) thinking: I know better than the dumb masses, and therefore I have an obligation make decisions for them. After all, it's for their own good, right? Lord knows they are too stupid to make their own decisions!

[Fire$torm]

.......I really hate the attitude behind DA's (and Willy's) thinking: I know better than the dumb masses, and therefore I have an obligation make decisions for them. After all, it's for their own good, right? Lord knows they are too stupid to make their own decisions!

Hahahahaha.... I love it. Going on a tangent here, I wonder if DA & Willy would stick to that mindset if they were lost on the West-side of Chicago or East L.A. at 2am in the morning......?

[zombie67]

FYI, Willy finally decided to add it to BAM and BOINCstats after all. :D

[Fire$torm]

FYI, Willy finally decided to add it to BAM and BOINCstats after all. :D

Really??? I just added it to my project list. How long before it shows up?

[Duke of Buckingham]

When he is going to join Acta and Sopa to boinc stats?:o

Not funny:p I know.

[Fire$torm]

When he is going to join Acta and Sopa to boinc stats?:o

Not funny:p I know.

Hahaha. Now that was funny!