Haswell releases June 3rd

[grathomp]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2036611/intel-starts-countdown-clock-for-next-gen-haswell-chips.html

My next build is very close to becoming a reality.

[John P. Myers]

Official Haswell pricing. 45xx (http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/13699512002EJDRUCKjN_1_10_l.jpg), 46xx (http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/13699512002EJDRUCKjN_1_9_l.jpg), 47xx (http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/13699512002EJDRUCKjN_1_8_l.jpg)

Benchmarks (http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/06/01/intel_haswell_i74770k_ipc_overclocking_review/3#.UapsCpyimJA)


ASUS has tested a couple hundred Haswell processors at this time and this is ASUS’ specific feedback from that overclock testing.

70% of CPUs can clock to 4.5GHz

30% of CPUs can clock to 4.6GHz

20% of CPUs can clock to 4.7GHz

10% of CPUs can to 4.8GHz

Overall you will find most CPUs capable of reaching 44x to 45x with varying levels of voltage.

More benchmarks with OpenCL: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-review,3521-3.html Includes comparison with a (lol) A10-5800K

[John P. Myers]

Power usage comparisons, with and without the HD4600 IGP: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/61451-intel-haswell-i7-4770k-i5-4670k-review-25.html

[Fire$torm]

If Micro Center ever puts Haswells on their In-Store special list, I may consider selling off some of my stereo equip. + i7 hardware and get a 4770K.

Any idea on MB pricing? Will they higher then Ivy Bridge boards with similar feature sets?

[John P. Myers]

If Micro Center ever puts Haswells on their In-Store special list, I may consider selling off some of my stereo equip. + i7 hardware and get a 4770K.

Any idea on MB pricing? Will they higher then Ivy Bridge boards with similar feature sets?

Pricing seems to be about the same. Here's what TD has at the moment: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=8586

Here's what Newegg has: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600438202&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=BESTMATCH&PageSize=20

[John P. Myers]

1414

Finally found some thermal data on Haswell. Not looking good at all :( The coolers needed to maintain the same temps as IB would cost as much as the Haswell CPU itself. Seems Intel still isn't soldering the heatspreaders to the die, and perhaps are using even worse thermal grease than before.

[Al]

Well, with these type of test results, they should be going on sale pretty soon. :p

[Fire$torm]

Well, with these type of test results, they should be going on sale pretty soon. :p

They already are!!!

Micro Center In-Store Only Specials (Prices good from June 2 ~ June 6)

http://dimages.bfi0.com/images/4800012/12319765/0602HaswellHEAD.jpg



Micro Center Haswell/MB bundles (Link (http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx))

More sale items (Link (https://email.microcentermedia.com/PS!mV3/t/tKyEUFBgIAAAAGCgFICggxMDc0OTAxMQoKMTQ0NzMzNDY1MgkA ET13CgkxNDU3NjM2NTcF))

@JPM: Have you seen anything on someone doing a soldering mod of the SB/IB's IHS?

2nd edit: Okay who wants to be my personal loan shark....???

[Al]

They already are!!!

Micro Center In-Store Only
Why do you insist on teasing us with your MicroCenter!

[Fire$torm]

Why do you insist on teasing us with your MicroCenter!

Because.... :P BTW ---> http://www.setiusa.us/showthread.php?157-New-quot-Deals-and-Savings-quot-Thread&p=61545&viewfull=1#post61545

[John P. Myers]

Well, with these type of test results, they should be going on sale pretty soon. :p

Legit Reviews posted their temp testing as well. Seems them and X-Bit are the only 2 sites that did. Wonder how much everyone else was paid not too...

Anyway, they OC'd to 4.5GHz, ran Prime95, hit 100C, and the 4770K throttled itself. They lowered the OC to 4.3GHz and it still throttled. They lowered to 4.2GHz and still hit 90C briefly before the fan caught up and dropped it to 85C, which is still ridiculously hot. In short, desktop Haswell is useless. Mobile Haswell is looking to be everything it was promised to be for the most part though. But for all of us here that need desktops, your best bet is to take advantage of the sales on Ivy Bridge and SB-E and skip this useless 4th generation.

It should also be noted that SB-E (socket 2011) still has an upgrade path lasting around another 18 months since IB-E will still be compatible with this socket and chipset. It is likely Haswell will be the only CPU line compatible with the 85/87 chipsets so you'd be essentially purchasing something un-upgradable from day 1.

It should also be noted again that Intel stripped the 4770K/4670K of many security features.


Worst of all the K-Series parts are utterly crippled. Yes Intel gifted us with unlocked parts for about 10% more, or should we say that they didn’t remove the overclocking features for a steep price. Unfortunately what they removed is much more than clock locks and definitely more useful to the buyer. vPro, TXT, VTd, and SIPP are removed, as is transactional memory but they don’t tell you that. If you get a K-Series device you can’t use virtualization, none of the management features are there, and neither is the hardware security that they said you absolutely needed last generation.

[Mumps]

It should also be noted again that Intel stripped the 4770K/4670K of many security features.

No Virtualization? Holy crap, in this day and age, what were they thinking??? Pass! Talk about your Double-face-palm loser moves!

[zombie67]

No Virtualization? Holy crap, in this day and age, what were they thinking??? Pass! Talk about your Double-face-palm loser moves!

Does that mean no vbox?

[Mumps]

Legit Reviews posted their temp testing as well. Seems them and X-Bit are the only 2 sites that did. Wonder how much everyone else was paid not too...

Anyway, they OC'd to 4.5GHz, ran Prime95, hit 100C, and the 4770K throttled itself. They lowered the OC to 4.3GHz and it still throttled. They lowered to 4.2GHz and still hit 90C briefly before the fan caught up and dropped it to 85C, which is still ridiculously hot. In short, desktop Haswell is useless. Mobile Haswell is looking to be everything it was promised to be for the most part though. But for all of us here that need desktops, your best bet is to take advantage of the sales on Ivy Bridge and SB-E and skip this useless 4th generation.

It should also be noted that SB-E (socket 2011) still has an upgrade path lasting around another 18 months since IB-E will still be compatible with this socket and chipset. It is likely Haswell will be the only CPU line compatible with the 85/87 chipsets so you'd be essentially purchasing something un-upgradable from day 1.

It should also be noted again that Intel stripped the 4770K/4670K of many security features.


Does that mean no vbox?

Well, VirtualBox requires VT-x for a 64bit guest. But you can probably run a 32bit guest without it. I actually did run many 32 bit guests on P4's that didn't have VT-x. But who want to run 32bit anymore? :)

EDIT: Well, the Ark implies you will be able to run Virtualization, just not as well as the prior generation. VT-x *is* included in the K model, just no VT-d as mentioned in the link earlier.

http://ark.intel.com/products/75123/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

[Al]

Does that mean no vbox?

Yes it does. At least we know where their head was at when they thought this up.

[Fire$torm]

It looks like Intel wants to further differentiate consumer products from their server lines. Now companies will be forced to pay the higher premium to virtualize their equipment. It's BS really as virtualation is key to high level security so consumers who used it (for things like online bill pay) are now more exposed. I bet Intel will eventually marketize (for a nice premium) some add-on widget to the give the consumer market (as in restore) what previously they had at no extra cost. Great scam.

Edit: Upon further consideration, it is possible they also removed this feature because with it a consumer could circumvent the spy mechanism Intel had added to IB that allowed media moguls to delete DRM content any consumer hadn't legally acquired. Yep, Big Brother is in control.

[grathomp]

My next build is very close to becoming a reality.


Scratch that. Haswell barely outperforms the 2 year old sandy bridge. I was expecting much better performance from this generation because it is a tock update. Oh well, guess I'll hold out and see what AMD can release in the next year or so.

[pinhodecarlos]

Prime95 64-bit version 27.9
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
CPU speed: 3630.18 MHz, 4 cores
CPU features: Prefetch, SSE, SSE2, SSE4, AVX, FMA
L1 cache size: 32 KB
L2 cache size: 256 KB, L3 cache size: 8 MB
L1 cache line size: 64 bytes
L2 cache line size: 64 bytes
TLBS: 64

4 LL tests of the same (or very close) exponents, timings for just 1 worker running, then 2 workers, 3 workers, and 4 workers.

PC3-1600 RAM AVX FFT


Note values are averages of two runs (4,3,2,1 and 1,2,3,4 workers)
1 Worker 8.2ms
2 Workers 8.7ms
3 Workers 10.32ms
4 Workers 12.50ms

For funsies:
1 worker x 4 threads = 3.053 ms
1 worker x 3 threads = 3.34
1 worker x 2 threads = 4.352
1 worker x 1 thread = 8.2

Haswell hits the same memory bandwidth wall as Sandy/Ivy Bridge running LL tests with Prime95.