Ivy Bridge-e (Socket 2011) is here

[DrPop]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7255/intel-core-i7-4960x-ivy-bridge-e-review

About as in-depth a look at it as we'll get for some time, I'm guessing.

[zombie67]

Important comment from the article: No chip set change. So most mobos will be able to use IB-E CPUs with a BIOS update. HOWEVER, Intel will not be offering a BIOS upgrade to their 2011 socket mobos, and they are not going to be releasing any new 2011 mobos to support IB-E. So if you have an intel 2011 mobo, you cannot use it with IB-E, you will need to buy a new non-intel 2011 mobo.

When are these chips going to be available to buy? I can't find the date in the article.

[John P. Myers]

I've read some other reviews and benchmarks from a couple other sites over the past week and they all say the same thing: yay power reduction, fail performance increase - don't bother. The only way Intel will sell IB-E is to make an 8-core version. Otherwise you'll still find these chips "new in box" on ebay 40 years from now for $6.

Would be nice if CPUs would increase in speed as fast as GPUs are about to.


Edit: @Z - supposed to be sometime this month.

[Mumps]

Well, I think I'll state what zombie67 will eventually. If you can get the same production out of the IB-E, but consume less power getting it, it's still a win at $0.10-0.30 an hour. :) Isn't there also a chance the newer, lower power, CPU's will therefore also have more head-room for OC'ing higher, more consistently?

[John P. Myers]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671%20600217725%20600458197&IsNodeId=1&name=Ivy%20Bridge-E

Enjoy

[John P. Myers]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671%20600217725%20600458197&IsNodeId=1&name=Ivy%20Bridge-E

Enjoy

Or quit BSing and pick up this motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182369) and 2 of these CPUs (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116925) :D

[Fire$torm]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671%20600217725%20600458197&IsNodeId=1&name=Ivy%20Bridge-E

Enjoy

Or quit BSing and pick up this motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182369) and 2 of these CPUs (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116925) :D

Okay! Just loan me the cash. I'll have ya paid back, in full, in say 3~5 years..... =))

[zombie67]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671%20600217725%20600458197&IsNodeId=1&name=Ivy%20Bridge-E

Enjoy

Awesome! Here is my strategy for crunching:

1) I am out of the multi-CPU game. Every time, every generation, it ends cheaper to do multiples of a single CPU box. That includes all the extra HW too. And they don't support all the GPUs you want them to, so spreading them over multiple boxes is better. I learned this the hard way, just very slowly...:rolleyes:

2) I have three massive HAF-X boxes that will handle any mobo, including funky server and gaming. Those three boxes will be single-CPU, multi-GPU boards, from now on. Maximize the CPU threads of course, but GPU is their primary role.

3) For CPU crunching, load up on 2nd hand i7 (8 thread) mac minis. 85w max each, and low power is a bonus in my rape-state (embrace nuclear you idiots!). They will cover all projects that offers OSX or linux apps (via vbox). My GPU crunchers will cover any win-only apps.

All that explanation is for this: For my GPU boxes, two are already SB-E. But one is a first gen i7-2600k. I want to change that to a IB-E.

[nanoprobe]

Or quit BSing and pick up this motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182369) and 2 of these CPUs (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116925) :D
Dang it, where did I put my checkbook? *If i don't come back the Mrs. found out.* X_X

[DrPop]

Awesome! Here is my strategy for crunching:

1) I am out of the multi-CPU game. Every time, every generation, it ends cheaper to do multiples of a single CPU box...

2) I have three massive HAF-X boxes that will ... be single-CPU, multi-GPU boards, from now on.

3) For CPU crunching, load up on 2nd hand i7 (8 thread) mac minis. 85w max each...

one is a first gen i7-2600k. I want to change that to a IB-E.

I like this strategy - I may end up going a similar route at some point, because I have two SB-e boxes and one AMD box for the CPU/GPU combos, and then the XEONs for CPU only. I like the XEONs in the sense that I can just flip them on or off at any point for extra "oomph" on a CPU challenge, and not worry about it affecting my other crunching. However, they are LOUD and I am not really sure on the power efficiency. Each quad core CPU is 50W TDP, and there are 8 of those...so 400W of CPU TDP for 32 cores, no hyperthreading. I'm unsure if that's efficient or not at this point?

Which makes me wonder on the cost / performance ratio of those i7 Mac minis? Could you do a similar setup "DIY" mode, and come out ahead? Like a tiny package of i7 Ivybridge or Haswell O/Ced to the hilt - what would it take, 100W O/Ced? :D Hmmm...that would be for 4 cores / 8 threads - so probably more efficient than the XEONs for CPU only, I guess?

[zombie67]

Which makes me wonder on the cost / performance ratio of those i7 Mac minis? Could you do a similar setup "DIY" mode, and come out ahead? Like a tiny package of i7 Ivybridge or Haswell O/Ced to the hilt - what would it take, 100W O/Ced? :D Hmmm...that would be for 4 cores / 8 threads - so probably more efficient than the XEONs for CPU only, I guess?

I already did the DIY version: http://www.setiusa.us/showthread.php?4315-CPU-cruncher-revisited&p=54120&viewfull=1#post54120

It cost $680 w/o OS (aka linux). RAM has gone up in price, so add another $50 today, $720. 90w PSU. No OC possible due to the limitation of the "S" IB CPU (i7-3770S). But if you install windows (additional $), you can also crunch on the HD 4000 GPU, which you can't do on linux or OSX.

For the mac mini, you can find the most recent model for ~$600 on ebay, if you are patient. They come stock with 4gb. Depending on if the previous owner upgraded the RAM, you may want to upgrade it. Not sure how the mobile i7-3615QM in the mini compares to the i7-3770S.

[Fire$torm]

...But if you install windows (additional $), you can also crunch on the HD 4000 GPU, which you can't do on linux or OSX....

Think ---> Trilogy 2.8

[Slicker]

I like this strategy - I may end up going a similar route at some point, because I have two SB-e boxes and one AMD box for the CPU/GPU combos, and then the XEONs for CPU only. I like the XEONs in the sense that I can just flip them on or off at any point for extra "oomph" on a CPU challenge, and not worry about it affecting my other crunching. However, they are LOUD and I am not really sure on the power efficiency. Each quad core CPU is 50W TDP, and there are 8 of those...so 400W of CPU TDP for 32 cores, no hyperthreading. I'm unsure if that's efficient or not at this point?

Which makes me wonder on the cost / performance ratio of those i7 Mac minis? Could you do a similar setup "DIY" mode, and come out ahead? Like a tiny package of i7 Ivybridge or Haswell O/Ced to the hilt - what would it take, 100W O/Ced? :D Hmmm...that would be for 4 cores / 8 threads - so probably more efficient than the XEONs for CPU only, I guess?
Sure you could do a DIY build, but then you would be stuck with a mouse with more than one button and have to learn what the second and third buttons are for. It's easier to just spend the extra $500 and get an OS X box with only one mouse button. :)

[zombie67]

My crunchers have no mice, or keyboards for that matter. Just a stack of machines. The stack is now 5 high. ;)

Also just FYI, the mac mini does not ship with a keyboard or mouse. You can use whatever kind you like.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55884901/stacked.JPG

[Slicker]

That is the smallest stack of 5 crunchers I have ever seen. Pretty cool. My wife just got a new ASUS N55 laptop with an i7-4700HQ processor which I believe is the new Ivy Bridge processor. Pretty nice. Too bad it comes with Win 8. After installing software on it the last two days, I've decided that a) I do not want a touch screen and b) I will switch to Linux rather than install Win 8 and finally c) all the useless gui stuff requires a decent processor so the i7 processor was a good idea

[zombie67]

i7-4700HQ is Haswell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i7_microprocessors#.22Haswell-H.22_.28MCP.2C_quad-core.2C_22_nm.29. It should GPU crunch too!

Best Win 8 app ever: Classic Shell (http://www.classicshell.net/)

It adds back the start menu, and makes win 8 act like win 7 (among other things).

It's a must-install, and free.

[zombie67]

Which makes me wonder on the cost / performance ratio of those i7 Mac minis? Could you do a similar setup "DIY" mode, and come out ahead? Like a tiny package of i7 Ivybridge or Haswell O/Ced to the hilt - what would it take, 100W O/Ced? :D Hmmm...that would be for 4 cores / 8 threads - so probably more efficient than the XEONs for CPU only, I guess?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2048564/gigabyte-levels-up-brix-mini-pc-with-intel-iris-pro-graphics.html

The new intel BRIX box looks neat.

"The Brix will ship with a choice of 2.7 GHz Core i5, 3 GHz Core i5, or 3.2 GHz Core i7 processors, all with Intel's Iris 5200 Pro integrated graphics."

"Prices will start at around $500 according to both The Verge and Legit Reviews, with a notable gotcha: Users will have to supply their own hard drive, RAM and operating system. In total, expect to spend upwards of $700[...]"

Of course, you will want the i7 (8 threads) for a cruncher, which will cost more than the $500 entry level. Add to that RAM, storage, and OS (depending). I think that will probably add up to $800-900. We'll have to wait to see the pricing when they are released in November.

[DrPop]

Yeah, that looks neat. :) Well, maybe that is the future for CPU farms, who knows? I'd love to see when those fall in price a bit. What to do in BOINC is such a dichotomy to me right now. I mean, you have to get big towers and PSUs and all for hog GPUs if you want any kind of "real" credits to put up per day. But then, if you want to be a factor in team challenges, CPUs generally rule the roost, so you need a CPU farm of some sort. But then, more and more projects are going GPU, so that argument gets tilted in their favor again. Hmmmm... X_X

[zombie67]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7285/intel-xeon-e5-2600-v2-12-core-ivy-bridge-ep/4

AnandTech: Intel's Xeon E5-2600 V2: 12-core Ivy Bridge EP for Servers

With a dual chip set up, that is 24 cores, or 48 threads (what BOINC sees). Awesome!


Let's see, 2gb per thread minimum = 8x 16gb ($1,280) or 4x 32gb ($2,600) DIMMs. Yikes!

[DrPop]

Would be pretty cool to see a 48 core monster, but WHAT A PRICE! You'd have like what, nearly $7K into that thing! b-(

[Slicker]

Would be pretty cool to see a 48 core monster, but WHAT A PRICE! You'd have like what, nearly $7K into that thing! b-(

That is what my 24 core servers cost a couple years ago. Since my business changed data centers, they had to be shut down because the power requirements for all of them at 100% load would require upgrading the UPS for the data center at an additional $16K.