Teams Helping Teams

[myshortpencil]

This subtopic is to document and acknowledge the crunching assistance given to and received from other teams. We believe in helping other teams reach their goals.

I just completed donating 1.357 billion Bitcoin Utopia credits to The Ohio State University team. The team rank moved from 216 to 96.

[Duke of Buckingham]

I believe in many things but on that I believe for our sake.

Of course we can choose the teams to help, for instances I have 2 more than all others: in first the Duke University and then The Musketeers, but that is just one opinion and nothing else.

I hope we can help Freedc much better than other teams because Freedc is something more than a stats team for us.

Excuse me to have an opinion about that...

[E-30]

i think i might go help out the final front ear some too becuse they are some of the dev of boinc and work hard on trying to get things going right for us.

[myshortpencil]

"I absolutely applaud the USA SETI for jumping around and sharing the love."

Janos - The Scottish Boinc Team (http://www.dunadd.co.uk/seti/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2367&view=unread&sid=318b60e01664ae644069b4e9a9c31818#p21556)

[Duke of Buckingham]

"I absolutely applaud the USA SETI for jumping around and sharing the love."

Janos - The Scottish Boinc Team (http://www.dunadd.co.uk/seti/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2367&view=unread&sid=318b60e01664ae644069b4e9a9c31818#p21556)

Very nice Myshortpencil.

[myshortpencil]

1.024 billion credits for The Scottish Boinc Team (http://www.dunadd.co.uk/seti/forum/)! Overtook Boincstats and Russia to move into 23rd place, overall. They will soon overtake the UK Boinc Team (http://forum.ukboincteam.com/) (UBT), the #1 team in the UK, but not quite so soon, since I've joined their team, now. :) Actually, scole of TSBT requested that I crunch an equal number of credits for UBT since the two teams are in a friendly rivalry and scole wanted to keep things fair. Nice group of crunchers in both teams, and a pleasure to crunch with them.

[myshortpencil]

1.259 billion credits for The UK BOINC Team (http://forum.ukboincteam.com/index.php)! I quit the team and tried to move to 29th place Canada (http://teamcanada.freeforums.org/canada-quick-sign-up-links-for-boinc-projects-t98.html), but Find a Team no longer works at BU :( BU let me quit a team, but not join a team, so I'm in limbo.

[dave c]

1.259 billion credits for The UK BOINC Team (http://forum.ukboincteam.com/index.php)! I quit the team and tried to move to Canada (http://teamcanada.freeforums.org/canada-quick-sign-up-links-for-boinc-projects-t98.html), but Find a Team no longer works at BU :( BU let me quit a team, but not join a team, so I'm in limbo.


u can join a new team just scroll down past all the php error msgs, ive been going back and forth between seti.usa and a good friend of mines irc networks team

[myshortpencil]

u can join a new team just scroll down past all the php error msgs, ive been going back and forth between seti.usa and a good friend of mines irc networks team

Thanks, Dave!

[myshortpencil]

1.21 billion credits for Canada (http://teamcanada.freeforums.org/canada-quick-sign-up-links-for-boinc-projects-t98.html), now in 28th place. Back to The UK BOINC Team (http://forum.ukboincteam.com/index.php) for a short rescue mission. TSBT (http://www.dunadd.co.uk/seti/forum/) pulling way ahead.

[myshortpencil]

"You've been very generous with your time Jerry, and it's much appreciated.

"In the unlikely event that you or your team ever need any help reaching a particular target or challenge, then please let us know and I'm sure that many of us would be happy help you out in return. :D

James." -- UK BOINC Team (http://forum.ukboincteam.com/viewtopic.php?t=5565&start=30)

[myshortpencil]

8.974 billion additional credits for The UK BOINC Team (http://forum.ukboincteam.com/index.php)! Now on to Seti-Germany (http://www.seti-germany.de/forum/).

Some SUSA members may question this donation for various reasons, but SG has members who are very friendly with us, plus they do an incredible job with the annual Pentathlons. I see this as an opportunity to improve SUSA/SG relations. Moreover, one of my goals is to crunch for teams that would likely be active and persuasive with David Anderson should he try to adjust BU credits or eliminate them from the stats sites. I want to give as much as a vested interest in BU to as many teams as I can. I firmly believe SG would be in our corner on BU credits issues.

Over at The Scottish Boinc Team Forum (http://www.dunadd.co.uk/seti/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2344&start=60), MegaCruncher and Alez made some excellent suggestions on how to make donations to other teams. I can't say I'll always follow these principles, but I intend to give them considerable weight in making future donations.


MegaCruncher:
1. Bestow my bounty on the needy. Ie don't give to the anyone in the top 100 teams. Or certainly not teams in the top 25.
2. Resist the temptation to be a player and influence specific rivalries.
3. Give donations of equal value to every team I visit.
4. Consider donations in all projects esp helping other teams in Boincstats team challenges etc.
5. Only donate to teams that are content to receive credits from me.
6. Donate only to teams where I've got an interest ( eg my University team) or alternatively be totally random.

Alez:
I especially think #2 is very valid as at the end of the day I like to look on my teams position and know that within reason it is our efforts from within the team. . . . I personally would not like over 25% of our credits to be gifted. . . .

I think I would slightly modify the Alez rule to limit donations to 1 day of crunching or 25% of a team's total credits, whichever is greater.

Another principle universally followed by SUSA is that when members of other teams crunch for us, we return the favor by crunching for them.

[Bryan]

That's a good choice MSP.

Let's see, they were the #2 team when we started BU (we would have passed them in 2 weeks anyway). Now they are the #3 team just like if BU hadn't have happened. The difference is rather than being 10s of millions of credits behind they are 300 billion behind. So while you pile on 8B credits to their account those who are actually crunching for SUSA will add another 30B to our lead. I'm sure SG can't wait to tell DA how much they enjoy and support the BU credits.

One nice thing though, you get to show TEAM POS. 1 in your signature. Congrats!

[myshortpencil]

Thanks, Bryan. I appreciate your support for improving inter-team relations. :)

[Mumps]

Keep in mind though Bryan, as soon as he moves to a new team, his status adjusts accordingly. So the team he's left will forever have that extra 8 Bil, but won't even have a user on the team with 8 Bil in credits. And the users actually on the team bounce up their appropriate # of positions. :)

[myshortpencil]

5.098 billion for SETI-Germany (http://www.seti-germany.de/forum/). Now on to Team Starfire World BOINC (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=17). paul_1 is a member of the team. He is almost always logged into our team chat, and regularly offers to help with our team goals.

[myshortpencil]

4.03 billion for Team Starfire World BOINC (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=17). Now off to The Knights Who Say Ni! (http://www.kwsnforum.com/).

[E-30]

Cool man

[myshortpencil]

3.1 billion for our friends at The Knights Who Say Ni! (http://www.kwsnforum.com/). Now on to the US NAVY (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=142), where I served for 6 years.

[pinhodecarlos]

Do you guys donate all your salary to charity or only a percentage (5-10%)?

Carlos

[cineon_lut]

It comes around Carlos. Due to the ambassador efforts discussed here, we had members of other teams answer our calls for help on recent challenges. Plus the more teams with BU credits the more likely those credits are to stay. (I would think)


Vic (mobile)

[myshortpencil]

I just noticed that Formula Boinc league assignments are based on November's RAC (http://formula-boinc.org/regles.py?lang=en&year=2014). Consequently, somewhat large gifts to teams outside Formula BOINC League 1 should probably be avoided during the month of November, for any members on walkabout.

[Mumps]

I just noticed that Formula Boinc league assignments are based on November's RAC (http://formula-boinc.org/regles.py?lang=en&year=2014). Consequently, somewhat large gifts to teams outside Formula BOINC League 1 should probably be avoided during the month of November, for any members on walkabout.

And, don't forget, RAC is a 10-day running average, so plan on stopping the walk-abouts at least 10 days early.

[Maxwell]

And, don't forget, RAC is a 10-day running average, so plan on stopping the walk-abouts at least 10 days early.
I would probably argue not to do it at all for November, unless specifically requested.

[myshortpencil]

5.04 billion for our friends at the US NAVY (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=142). Now on to Formula Boinc League 3 leader, the Hardware Canucks (http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/).

[pinhodecarlos]

That's it, I am going to give 100% of my salary to charity.

[myshortpencil]

3.31 billion for our friends at Hardware Canucks (http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/). Now I'm going to do a 200th place sprint. Whatever team is in 200th with less than 1 billion credits, overall, when I switch teams, I will crunch for them for 1 day, more or less, assuming the team is available on Bitcoin Utopia. The first team is our friends at Wicked Old Atheists (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=258).

[zombie67]

Heh. Neat name!

[myshortpencil]

887 million for our friends at Wicked Old Atheists (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=258). On to Bulgaria (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=403) (AKA Bulgaria United).

[myshortpencil]

1.06 billion for our friends at Bulgaria (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=403) (AKA Bulgaria United). On to Altairo Vejai, Lithuania! (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=56).

[Duke of Buckingham]

1.06 billion for our friends at Bulgaria (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=403) (AKA Bulgaria United). On to Altairo Vejai, Lithuania! (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=56).

Go Myshortpencil go.

[myshortpencil]

809 million for our friends at Altairo Vejai, Lithuania! (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=56). On to SETI.Austria (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=253).

[Dr. Dan]

Hi guys,

I thought that I would stop by and say thanks to a few good folks here for a major boost in TM's ranking score. To this day you folks still out perform most expectations of any other team. Also thank those who have lifted my days when I thought my days were shortly numbered. You guys Rock

DD

[myshortpencil]

Thanks Dr. Dan. We are all very glad you are still with us.

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 958 million for our friends at SETI.Austria (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=253). On to Kansas State University (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=86).

[conf]

Be careful in Austria, the teams are so small ( Austria too ) , you can change everything there.
Boinc.at is still Number one and this should stay as it is.

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 898 million for our friends at Kansas State University (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=86). On to Team MacNN (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=131).

Also, welcome to DD and Cruncher Pete[BlackOps] from the Musketeers to the Team MacNN assist. :)

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 1.79 billion for our friends at Team MacNN (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=131), plus another 2 billion from the Musketeers! The almost double contribution from us is due to the clearing of pending WUs at BU. Team MacNN has moved from 195th place to 66th in the world, as of this post. On to Team England (Boinc) (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=208).

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 948 million credits for our friends at Team England (Boinc) (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=208). Now it's on to our friends at Brony@Home (http://bronyathome.org/).

[John P. Myers]

Now it's on to our friends at Brony@Home (http://bronyathome.org/).

I don't recall Brony being our friends. What i do recall is us planning to embarrass them thoroughly in some challenge they started awhile back. Then they kinda fell off the map.

[Al]

I don't recall Brony being our friends. What i do recall is us planning to embarrass them thoroughly in some challenge they started awhile back. Then they kinda fell off the map.
That's my recollection also...and we did embarrass them. They seemed to be quite full of themselves until we shoved a Rosetta down their throat.

[Bryan]

That's my recollection also...and we did embarrass them. They seemed to be quite full of themselves until we shoved a Rosetta down their throat.

Yep, they were the arrogant suckers who weren't going to enter BUT since they had the #1 RAC they felt compelled to. As we were blowing their doors off I remember asking their team leader "How's that #1 RAC working out for you?" .... the devil made me do it =))

[Al]

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[myshortpencil]

Really, guys. This is a public thread. Can we try to mend some fences, here? Thanks. :)

[Shandia]

Really, guys. This is a public thread. Can we try to mend some fences, here? Thanks. :)

Um.....what fence?? Oh! You mean that tore up, twisted, bit of scrap thing that has our track marks all over it?? I guess we COULD try......but sometimes super glue and duct tape won't fix things. Not even with a little spit to shine it up. Maybe if we put a little whip cream and a cherry on top.......maybe??

[cineon_lut]

Yep, they were the arrogant suckers who weren't going to enter BUT since they had the #1 RAC they felt compelled to. As we were blowing their doors off I remember asking their team leader "How's that #1 RAC working out for you?" .... the devil made me do it =))

LOL I don't remember you actually doing that! Well whatever happened, the lesson was given both by us and BOINC.Italy, and we never heard trash talk after that so I would say mission accomplished and we're all good now.

I would nominate BOINC.Italy over Brony, but that's just me. I may turn a few BFLs their way if I ever get mine running again.

[Mumps]

No fences here. Just wide open spaces.

I just wish our team could mobilize as many members as quickly as Brony did on their ventures into BOINC-dom. :)

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 1.187 billion credits for our friends at Brony@Home (http://bronyathome.org/). On to BOINC@Austria (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=232).

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 1.333 billion credits for our friends at BOINC@Austria (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=232). On to the U.S. Coast Guard (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=2088).

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 1.026 billion credits for our friends at the U.S. Coast Guard (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=2088). On to Vlaanderen (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=819).

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 1.22 billion credits for our friends at Vlaanderen (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=819). On to SETI.hr (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=150).

[pinhodecarlos]

Duke would be glad if you could help Portugal@Home team for a week...lol

http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=76

[STE\/E]

Duke would be glad if you could help Portugal@Home team for a week...lol

http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=76

I'll help them for a bit ...

[Bryan]

I'll help them for a bit ...

I'm on it too :D

[nanoprobe]

I'm on it too :D

Me three. :-bd

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 1.01 billion credits for our friends at SETI.hr (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=150). On to Boone Community School District - Iowa (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=578).

[Duke of Buckingham]

Duke is happy that we are helping Portugal@home. I will be there for a week also. 1861

[myshortpencil]

Pinhodecarlos would be very happy if you could help the Czech National Team for a week...lol

http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=23

[Duke of Buckingham]

What could be funny in helping Portugal@home maybe one of you could explain me. Since yesterday I am trying to laugh but I cant understand of what I should laugh maybe one of you could explain me that. I will go there anyway, it was part of my plans before and so I will do it.

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 935 million credits for our friends at the Boone Community School District - Iowa (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=578). On to Elite Games (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=171).

[Dr. Dan]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 935 million credits for our friends at the Boone Community School District - Iowa (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=578). On to Elite Games (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=171).


Boone has always been my backup team to help as they are from my home state. So now that team musketeers is no longer, I guess I will have more time to help out with them and any other project that SETI.USA may want to help.

DD

[myshortpencil]

Boone has always been my backup team to help as they are from my home state. So now that team musketeers is no longer, I guess I will have more time to help out with them and any other project that SETI.USA may want to help.

DD

Dang! It's Six Degrees of Separation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation) in action! :)

[Dr. Dan]

Dang! It's Six Degrees of Separation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation) in action! :)

Very precise analogy ---- It's nice to see you helping others from the heart.

DD

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 917 million credits for our friends at Elite Games (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=171).

I have now completed crunching for all teams with world ranks under 201 and with less than 1 billion total credits who have their teams listed on Bitcoin Utopia. I would drop down to the 300 level, but by Forumla Boinc rules (http://formula-boinc.org/regles.py?lang=en&year=2014), teams are assigned to leagues based on their daily average credits earned in November. To temporarily crunch now for any team outside of League 1 would unfairly move it up 1 or 2 leagues without giving it the permanent resources needed to compete at that level.

As my next team, I am choosing the Czech National Team (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=23), currently ranked 14th in the world and 2nd at Formula Boinc (http://formula-boinc.org/index.py?year=2014&lang=en) in League 1. This is likely a controversial choice given their recent opposition to the Bitcoin Utopia credit system, as reported here (members only) (http://www.setiusa.us/showthread.php?7757-Members-Only-BitCoin-The-Czechs-are-angry) and here (http://www.dunadd.co.uk/seti/forum/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=2356&p=22891#p22891), however the Czech team fervently supports distributed computing and it is a great competitor. It deserves our recognition and assistance with Bitcoin Utopia as much as any other team. If, by crunching for them, they balk, then I'll move on.

[shiva]

congrats on your walkabout and finishing the top 200 MSP

[myshortpencil]

In the Boinc world walkabout today, we have 4.72 billion credits for our friends at the Czech National Team (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/team_display.php?teamid=23).

[myshortpencil]

11,946 credits for The Scottish Boinc Team (http://www.dunadd.co.uk/seti/forum/) in the SAT@home--Three years with the project (http://boincstats.com/en/stats/challenge/team/chat/594) challenge.

[myshortpencil]

So far, in the memorial crunch for Ste\/e's sister, Barb (http://theblackopsteam.net/index.php/topic,3.0.html), called for by UBT - Timbo (http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/forum_thread.php?id=601), over 12.37 billion credits have been donated to the BlackOps Team (http://theblackopsteam.net/index.php) by the following participants from over 10 teams (in alphabetical order):

alez [TSBT's Pirate] - Anguillan Pirates
artemis8 - SETI.USA
Bok - SETI.USA
Bryan - SETI.USA
DrPop [BlackOps] - SETI.USA
Fire$torm [BlackOps] - SETI.USA
FourOh - SETI.USA
frankhagen - gigo
Hartmut 53
Joshrandom - UK BOINC Team
Jusgeo1 - SETI.USA
Maxwell [MM] - SETI.USA
mikey - The Final Front Ear
myshortpencil - SETI.USA
nanoprobe - Christians
Nasicus - Crunchers@Freiburg
Nick Name - USA
Paul of TSBT - The Scottish Boinc Team
Ron Shurtz [BlackOps] - SETI.USA
ruidocarmo - Portugal@Hoome
scole of TSBT - The Scottish Boinc Team
Senilix - Rechenkraft.net
somanyroads - Tequila Sunrise
Sphynx[BlackOps] - SETI.USA
Spyros Nikolaou
Steve Dodd - The Planetary Society
UBT - Mikeejones – UK BOINC Team
UBT – Timbo – UK BOINC Team
Woodles - UK BOINC Team

[myshortpencil]

50.4 billion credits for our friends at BlackOps Team (http://theblackopsteam.net/index.php?action=forum). I'm now back at SUSA.

[John P. Myers]

Welcome back

[cineon_lut]

50.4 billion credits for our friends at BlackOps Team (http://theblackopsteam.net/index.php?action=forum). I'm now back at SUSA.

Rock! Welcome back.


Vic (mobile)

[Duke of Buckingham]

NICE myshortpencil
1954

[Bryan]

50.4 billion credits for our friends at BlackOps Team (http://theblackopsteam.net/index.php?action=forum). I'm now back at SUSA.

You stopped a little early, they haven't knocked us down to #2 Combined yet.

[Duke of Buckingham]

Myshortpencil is the biggest cruncher for the team, NOW.

He is paying for his crunching and has the right to decide where he is going to put it.

Freedom is a strange thing, for some the right of option, for others the right to criticize.

I am sure we have people on that small team that are trying to make a point. I was there also for a small time.

I may not agree with them (on full scale) but I respect their option because for me is FREEDOM above all.

[Bryan]

Myshortpencil is the biggest cruncher for the team, NOW.

He is paying for his crunching and has the right to decide where he is going to put it.

Freedom is a strange thing, for some the right of option, for others the right to criticize.

I am sure we have people on that small team that are trying to make a point. I was there also for a small time.

I may not agree with them (on full scale) but I respect their option because for me is FREEDOM above all.

Duke, I didn't say that he doesn't have the right to crunch where he wants. I just said he didn't complete the task of knocking us down a position. Everyone who wants to contribute to the success of other teams certainly has that right.

It does bother me some that MSP comes on the SUSA forums and brags about it. But then again, I guess I'm just sensitive on the subject of SUSA success.

[Duke of Buckingham]

Duke, I didn't say that he doesn't have the right to crunch where he wants. I just said he didn't complete the task of knocking us down a position. Everyone who wants to contribute to the success of other teams certainly has that right.

It does bother me some that MSP comes on the SUSA forums and brags about it. But then again, I guess I'm just sensitive on the subject of SUSA success.

For sure I am very sensitive to SUSA success also, Bryan, I think you know that.

CP and Steve, even if I never spoke with them about this matter, I am sure they both are also.

I will wait and see what the future will bring to us, anyway I will be on this team even if the team was the last team on Boinc Stats.

I said since the beginning that BU credits would be very bad for BOINC, you see, money is not so important to me, never was.

[myshortpencil]

* * * It does bother me some that MSP comes on the SUSA forums and brags about it. * * * *

Comes on the SUSA forums? I've never left the team. Is there some reason why I shouldn't be coming onto the forum?

Brags? Since when is documenting donations bragging? I know that in the past this hasn't been done, but I think it should be. It's important, in my opinion, for SUSA to be known as a team that has goodwill for all. When other teams crunch for us, I think we should document their donations to us. I *think* it brings the BOINC community closer together.

As for the magnanimity of my contribution to BlackOps Team, it amounted to a mere 10 days of their daily output without my help. Whether they pass us or not, 10 days of credits doesn't much matter. And while I was donating 50 billion to BlackOps Team, I was also crunching over 22 Billion for SUSA on another member's account. So, relative to SUSA the donation was more like 27 billion--about 5 days of BOT daily output--while relative to Sici* and other teams, it was 50 billion.

I really don't see much to brag about. I hope this is helpful. Also, I'm sure Bryan has contributed more to SUSA and to other teams than I ever have, which I enthusiastically applaud.

[Cruncher Pete]

Duke, I didn't say that he doesn't have the right to crunch where he wants. I just said he didn't complete the task of knocking us down a position. Everyone who wants to contribute to the success of other teams certainly has that right.

It does bother me some that MSP comes on the SUSA forums and brags about it. But then again, I guess I'm just sensitive on the subject of SUSA success.

I like to clarify my point of view on this since I am implicated albeit indirectly. You know that I consider you as a friend so I ask please do not get offended for I do not wish to loose that friendship. On this occasion however, I consider that you are wrong in criticizing a member of your team by making sly remarks that could offend. The old idiom that sticks and stones will hurt my back but words will never hurt me is wrong in my opinion. In the English language in particular you will often find that statements are taken out of context for especially in the written means of communicating the reader often perceives the meaning of the word or sentence other than what the writer intended.

So, let me say how I read your remarks: "I just said he didn't complete the task of knocking us down a position." I perceive that this sentence implies that the BlackOps Team has a target of knocking SUSA down a position. The true position is that BlackOps had a "target" of knocking sici down a position. You will see on my website that I have stated that I have no intention of chasing and knocking out SUSA since I am a Friend of SUSA and have helped and will help the Team whenever I am needed.

As regards: "It does bother me some that MSP comes on the SUSA forums and brags about it." I do not understand why it should bother you that a member of your team helped a friend team, after all you yourself helped us in the beginning for awhile. Nobody accused you of bragging when you announced that you will help us when you left or when you returned. Making statements like that is not the way of winning friends.

My apologies for bursting out like this but I guess I am too old and sensitive but I have an obligation to defend my Team and those who helped us for Victory is not a Victory unless it is achieved with honor.

finally, please be aware that in the event sici decides to challenge that position I and I am sure the other (two) Team members will defend the position with vigor. Should SUSA decide not to get involved
and defend your position we will not stop because you are in the way for I will not allow sici to win.

[Cruncher Pete]

Correction to my previous post. My humble apologies for I am not entirely correct. It seems I had a pensioner moment for although I did say that I have no intention in making SUSA my target in one thread, I also said in another that it sounds like a plan to continue crunching towards the number one spot as I agreed that we should solidify our position. Having said that, I doubt it will make much difference to you guys as I can not run all my farm due to our summer heat during the day and storms at night. By the time I can return to full output I believe Boinc United will not be around as it will not matter when the powers to be and stat sites decide not to include them in their stats.

[DrBackJack]

I'll say this.
I only crunch for SETI.USA and that is all.
All of my 2015 credits will count for only this team for Formula Boinc and for the upcoming Pentathlon.

[Duke of Buckingham]

I think that is the price we must pay for FREEDOM. Some want to HELP other teams, some want to CRUNCH only within their team.

I have helped other teams according to my own opinion, I cant help all the teams that deserve my help anyway, I am not such a big cruncher.

I dont think we should talk much more about this and I would like that you all respect others options.

Something we dont need is this kind of sterile discussions, in the end each one will stay with his own opinion.
We had enough problems lately and a lot of people that are not in the team now because of nothing, time to get back to do what we all do here, crunching for BOINC.

[denim]

No matter how you slice it, that is an insane amount of credits, and in 10 days that is more than 10 times my lifetime contribution. Haha. Welcome back MSP.

[cineon_lut]

I'm not opposed to helping other teams. @MSP has helped many other teams, and has given a lot of help to Ste\/e & CP over at BlackOpsTeam. On the flip side, when I put out a call to arms, if we're in danger of losing a challenge, I see @CP & Ste\/e helping us without hesitation. That's what it's about, and it's appreciated.

[Sarge104]

My question on the discussion over helping other teams is this: "What would be considered unethical?"

Seti.USA has helped many teams in the past and I urge our members to continue to do so. I would suggest we draw some lines though to help out those that do decide to help others if they wish to. Guidelines that show what to expect if you crunch for SIC* for example... ;P

Personally I do not mind helping "ANY" team as long as it does not effect the outcome of a challenge that Seti.USA is competing to win on.

[DrPop]

I'm doing my best not to wade in the waters too deep here. The past 6 years that I've been a member of this team came during a time which was not exactly all rosy for my family and I in real life, so I gained a little better perspective through perseverance. During those times, some of you have become those I would count among my truest friends, beside my own family. I feel connected to each cruncher on this team in some way, and no, I don't mean that as any new-agey, liberal tinged B.S. To say it plainly, I mean that it hurts a part of me when anyone on this team leaves less than 100% satisfied. Because in the end, we are *all* teammates.

SETI.USA has always been a "crunch what you want, when you want, and how you want" team. I don't think anything will ever change that. A "loose system" team setup like this causes some interesting moments. But, you can't have it two ways in life, and I would pick this way every time. A tight system (think dictatorship), allows for "loose" people. RULES become what binds people together, and little else matters, because there are rule enforcers. Team SETI.USA (within reason) doesn't have that, we don't want that, and we don't need that.

What we do have however, a loose system (i.e. true freedom), requires "tight" people in order to run smoothly. Tight people are strong people; tight people have ambitions, tight people accept the responsibility for their actions that comes hand in hand with their freedom. Strong people have strong opinions. Differing opinions from all members are something we have to come to terms with.

But I'll stand by this: we don't need more rules. We just need to keep stoking the fires of passion for what we do, and how we do it as a team. When the first class cause is given the first class loyalty, everything else falls into place. The more UNITED we can be, on EVERY level, the STRONGER of a family we become.

[cineon_lut]

Damn right, on all counts. You are a gentleman and a scholar, my friend.


Vic (mobile)

[Duke of Buckingham]

Freedom and more freedom to fight against silence and fear of saying the true.

[myshortpencil]

Could we please move this topic back to the lounge? Putting it in team discussion defeats the whole purpose of the topic.

[Duke of Buckingham]

Could we please move this topic back to the lounge? Putting it in team discussion defeats the whole purpose of the topic.

I think (yes, sometimes I do it), we are solving a problem and making a new one. I can see very dark clouds in the team sky, I would think this all problem better.

[Maxwell]

Could we please move this topic back to the lounge? Putting it in team discussion defeats the whole purpose of the topic.
Done.

[DrPop]

Could we please move this topic back to the lounge? Putting it in team discussion defeats the whole purpose of the topic.

Please just remember when posting to this thread now that it's in the lounge, everyone in the entire world with an Internet connection can read it. Even your Mom, and she doesn't have to be logged into the forums to do so, either. :o

[Duke of Buckingham]

Done.

Thank you Maxwell. +1


Please just remember when posting to this thread now that it's in the lounge, everyone in the entire world with an Internet connection can read it. Even your Mom, and she doesn't have to be logged into the forums to do so, either. :o

I think what the other teams will see in here, is that we are a team able of arguing about our differences like the grown men that we are and what is best for us in complete freedom, a thing that some other teams may have or not.

And we do it in the open forum with no offensive words as much as I read in here. I liked a lot your post about freedom and I agree with it DrPop, Thank You very much for that post and +1 for it.