Intel ES Xeons

[FourOh]

I've ended up with an extra 2011-3 X99 motherboard which, after I carefully repair a bent pin, should be fully functional. I don't have room in my fleet for another tower, but I could replace one of my Dell T5500s. I was looking on ebay and there are "ES" Xeons being sold, way cheap. These Engineering Samples are not meant to be sold and technically are property of Intel. The sellers are in Japan, and have very good seller ratings. Other than no warranty and possible felony charges, any down side to these chips? This E5-2658 v3 retails for $1700+... and the ES chip is going for about $300 on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151989476551

[Al]

I've ended up with an extra 2011-3 X99 motherboard which, after I carefully repair a bent pin, should be fully functional. I don't have room in my fleet for another tower, but I could replace one of my Dell T5500s. I was looking on ebay and there are "ES" Xeons being sold, way cheap. These Engineering Samples are not meant to be sold and technically are property of Intel. The sellers are in Japan, and have very good seller ratings. Other than no warranty and possible felony charges, any down side to these chips? This E5-2658 v3 retails for $1700+... and the ES chip is going for about $300 on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151989476551
I think visiting day is every other Wednesday and SUSA members will be there for you...which Federal Pen will you be going to? I might consider the T5500 before you're picked up. :rolleyes:

[nanoprobe]

FWIW I have 2 retail E5-2683 V3 chips(s-spec SR1XH) for sale on eBay. These are 14c/28t They are not engineering samples. They are OEM final production chips. They aren't cheap but when you consider they retail for $2100+ the price is good IMHO. In a 2P SuperMicro board running 56 threads @ WCG they pulled 270 watts total at the wall. The stock clock is 2.0 Ghz. They turbo up to 2.3GHz under full load. Anything turbo mode you see listed above 2.3 is for a single thread, not all 56.
link (http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-XEON-OEM-E5-2683v3-SR1XH-2GHz-2-3GHz-TURBO-35M-9-6GT-s-14Core-2011-3-X99-/152013463957?hash=item2364b56195:g:zngAAOSwZ8ZW5MM 9)

EDIT: These chips will run in some X99 boards but may require a BIOS update. I've read that they work in Asus and AsRock mobos. Don't know about others.

[FourOh]

I think visiting day is every other Wednesday and SUSA members will be there for you...which Federal Pen will you be going to? I might consider the T5500 before you're picked up. :rolleyes:

I'll leave instructions with my wife. She'll miss me but I'm sure she'll be happy to distribute all my gear :D

[FourOh]

FWIW I have 2 retail E5-2683 V3 chips(s-spec SR1XH) for sale on eBay. These are 14c/28t They are not engineering samples. They are OEM final production chips. They aren't cheap but when you consider they retail for $2100+ the price is good IMHO. In a 2P SuperMicro board running 56 threads @ WCG they pulled 270 watts total at the wall. The stock clock is 2.0 Ghz. They turbo up to 2.3GHz under full load. Anything turbo mode you see listed above 2.3 is for a single thread, not all 56.
link (http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-XEON-OEM-E5-2683v3-SR1XH-2GHz-2-3GHz-TURBO-35M-9-6GT-s-14Core-2011-3-X99-/152013463957?hash=item2364b56195:g:zngAAOSwZ8ZW5MM 9)

EDIT: These chips will run in some X99 boards but may require a BIOS update. I've read that they work in Asus and AsRock mobos. Don't know about others.

Looks like a solid deal, but those might be a little much for this budget Gigabyte board. Plus, I pretty much had my 2016 hardware budget spent by the middle of February :p

[nanoprobe]

Looks like a solid deal, but those might be a little much for this budget Gigabyte board. Plus, I pretty much had my 2016 hardware budget spent by the middle of February :p
NP! They're available if anyone here might be interested.

[John P. Myers]

It's not illegal to possess, buy or give away an ES CPU, only illegal to sell them, though Intel doesn't enforce it because if they got them back, they have literally no use for them.

The only reason they're illegal to sell is because Intel claims ownership of all ES CPUs and all that are out in the wild are "on loan" from Intel and you can't legally profit from selling something owned by someone else.

[Mike029]

FWIW I have 2 retail E5-2683 V3 chips(s-spec SR1XH) for sale on eBay. These are 14c/28t They are not engineering samples. They are OEM final production chips. They aren't cheap but when you consider they retail for $2100+ the price is good IMHO. In a 2P SuperMicro board running 56 threads @ WCG they pulled 270 watts total at the wall. The stock clock is 2.0 Ghz. They turbo up to 2.3GHz under full load. Anything turbo mode you see listed above 2.3 is for a single thread, not all 56.
link (http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-XEON-OEM-E5-2683v3-SR1XH-2GHz-2-3GHz-TURBO-35M-9-6GT-s-14Core-2011-3-X99-/152013463957?hash=item2364b56195:g:zngAAOSwZ8ZW5MM 9)

EDIT: These chips will run in some X99 boards but may require a BIOS update. I've read that they work in Asus and AsRock mobos. Don't know about others.

What is the cost of putting something like this together? Chips, MB, memory, and hs/fans, I could save a few $ with if I could use a evga 1200 psu. I'm guessing this would still cost around 2k to put together.

[nanoprobe]

What is the cost of putting something like this together? Chips, MB, memory, and hs/fans, I could save a few $ with if I could use a evga 1200 psu. I'm guessing this would still cost around 2k to put together.

Your 1200 PSU would be more than enough. The 2 chips running 56 threads at WCG only pull about 270 watts at the wall. Depending on what GPU you have and if you decide to crunch with it your power consumption will go up. You can get a 2P SuperMicro board for about $275 at Newegg if you buy them open box. You must use ECC registered memory. The cost will depend on how much you want to have. 16GB will be enough in most cases and will cost about $175. The best HSF would be the CoolerMaster 212 EVO. They are about $26. With the 2 CPUs your cost would be about $1700-$1800.

[FourOh]

Your 1200 PSU would be more than enough. The 2 chips running 56 threads at WCG only pull about 270 watts at the wall. Depending on what GPU you have and if you decide to crunch with it your power consumption will go up. You can get a 2P SuperMicro board for about $275 at Newegg if you buy them open box. You must use ECC registered memory. The cost will depend on how much you want to have. 16GB will be enough in most cases and will cost about $175. The best HSF would be the CoolerMaster 212 EVO. They are about $26. With the 2 CPUs your cost would be about $1700-$1800.

56 threads, hmmm... Don't ask Z how much RAM it needs $-)

[nanoprobe]

I also have these (http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-XEON-Haswell-E5-2683-V3-QEY7-14C-28T-2-0-2-3Ghz-stepping1-X99-C610-C612-/152013481841?ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123) for sale in case anyone might be interested.

[zombie67]

56 threads, hmmm... Don't ask Z how much RAM it needs $-)

128gb minimum. Especially with all the VMs. ;)

[zombie67]

Damnit! Those CPU costs are damn tempting. I am going to have to do some math.

"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."

[Mike029]

Damnit! Those CPU costs are damn tempting. I am going to have to do some math.


I feel the same way. Temptation!!!

[nanoprobe]

Damnit! Those CPU costs are damn tempting. I am going to have to do some math.

"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."

You know you want a set. @-)

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/nanoprobe/Untitled_zpsrflu1vyt.jpg

[Mike029]

You know you want a set. @-)

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/nanoprobe/Untitled_zpsrflu1vyt.jpg

Placing this photo here is wrong on so many levels. My OCD is working overtime.

[DrPop]

Does that have HT? How many threads does it run at once? :D

[nanoprobe]

Placing this photo here is wrong on so many levels. My OCD is working overtime.
Would you like one of processor #2? X_X :D

[nanoprobe]

Does that have HT? How many threads does it run at once? :D
Yes and 56 on a 2P board.

[Al]

It's totally freeing to be immune to nanoprobe's temptation. :-ss[-O<L-)=))

[Bryan]

It's totally freeing to be immune to nanoprobe's temptation. :-ss[-O<L-)=))

Yeah, but can you imagine what 28 AVX2 cores would do on SRBase - HT turned off.

[Al]

Yeah, but can you imagine what 28 AVX2 cores would do on SRBase - HT turned off.
Still immune...try harder!

[Bryan]

Still immune...try harder!

How about if you had that machine you could whup my butt =)) That oughta do it :D

[John P. Myers]

Not to mention you could upgrade from 56 threads to 72...just saying ;)

Like having 9 quad cores with HT in a single box...

Oh, and sometime around June you can upgrade to 88 threads...11 quad cores with HT in a single box...

[Mike029]

STOP!!! My inner nerd is losing all self control. %-( Let's see if I start collecting cans this weekend, how many cans would I need to make this build happen? @-) How long would it take to collect enough cans to buy these two beauties? ~X(

[pinhodecarlos]

Yeah, but can you imagine what 28 AVX2 cores would do on SRBase - HT turned off.

It will fail due to memory bottleneck and function of the size you are LLRing. Probably you will only be running 80% of the cores.

[nanoprobe]

It will fail due to memory bottleneck and function of the size you are LLRing. Probably you will only be running 80% of the cores.
These chips have dual memory controllers so I doubt there would be any bottleneck, especially in a 2P setup. I ran SRBase and never noticed any issues. I'm currently running 28 CEP2 beta tasks at WCG which are highly memory and HDD intensive. They're all running @ 99+% efficiency. I'll post a screen shot if anyone might be interested.

[John P. Myers]

Don't forget memory bandwidth with each xeon is double regular CPUs

[zombie67]

Damnit! Those CPU costs are damn tempting. I am going to have to do some math.

*sigh* I just can't justify another mega-cruncher. Damnit x2!

[Mumps]

Just think about how much you would save though! Going to 56 threads in a single box for 200 Watts? Easy choice where cost of power comes in to play. :D

[zombie67]

Just think about how much you would save though! Going to 56 threads in a single box for 200 Watts? Easy choice where cost of power comes in to play. :D

You are an evil, evil man.

[FourOh]

I went for a 12 core E5-2670 v3. I look forward to having TWO X99 systems to babysit constantly :D

[pinhodecarlos]

These chips have dual memory controllers so I doubt there would be any bottleneck, especially in a 2P setup. I ran SRBase and never noticed any issues. I'm currently running 28 CEP2 beta tasks at WCG which are highly memory and HDD intensive. They're all running @ 99+% efficiency. I'll post a screen shot if anyone might be interested.
Trust me, I've been crunching for Prime numbers for more than 15 years. Please make a test running this number 5*2^5000000-1, starting with one core and increasing LLR instances until you reach 28 instances. Check LLR speed decrease as you increase the number of instances. For more you can read at mersenneoforum.org.

[nanoprobe]

Trust me, I've been crunching for Prime numbers for more than 15 years. Please make a test running this number 5*2^5000000-1, starting with one core and increasing LLR instances until you reach 28 instances. Check LLR speed decrease as you increase the number of instances. For more you can read at mersenneoforum.org.
TBH I haven't run any LLR for a very long and I'm too tied up with other projects to do it now. At some time in the future I'll try LLR on these and see what happens then post back what I find. I think one of us will be surprised.

[zombie67]

Weeee!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55884901/Capture2.PNG

[John P. Myers]

Weeee!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55884901/Capture2.PNG

[emoji33]

[Shandia]

Weeee!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55884901/Capture2.PNG

Thanks a lot for giving us wee ones a complex. \m/ I see mine needs the dust knocked out again already. :-s

[Mumps]

Hmmm. Only 64 Gig? You needs moah RAM now! :D

[Mike029]

Weeee!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55884901/Capture2.PNG

I am sooooooo envious. ^:)^^:)^ Does that make me a bad person? :-?

[MindCrime]

I've ended up with an extra 2011-3 X99 motherboard which, after I carefully repair a bent pin, should be fully functional. I don't have room in my fleet for another tower, but I could replace one of my Dell T5500s. I was looking on ebay and there are "ES" Xeons being sold, way cheap. These Engineering Samples are not meant to be sold and technically are property of Intel. The sellers are in Japan, and have very good seller ratings. Other than no warranty and possible felony charges, any down side to these chips? This E5-2658 v3 retails for $1700+... and the ES chip is going for about $300 on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151989476551

On the engineering samples. Of the 5 or so CPUs I've seen or been in possession of that were bought from the employee program/store they all said intel confidential on them. Their usually early process runs that were run in RnD fab and not a high volume. After engineering checks the batch out and they move onto their next project, they sell them at the employee store at a ridiculously good price, or you can get like 1 free per year.. maybe.

I believe Tankmaster is a blue badge, he could probably check on your legal status of owning one. but I'm quite certain intel is okay with it unless it's a model that's not for sale, then maybe you could be in trouble. If JP is correct the seller on ebay is the bad boy, you're just an unknowing customer that thinks he's getting a great deal on a super duper chip from overseas.

[John P. Myers]

If JP is correct the seller on ebay is the bad boy, you're just an unknowing customer that thinks he's getting a great deal on a super duper chip from overseas.
The seller is only the bad boy if Intel decides to care, but they never have in the past and see no reason why they ever would. When the topic first came up i read Intel's legal position on the ES CPUs on the Intel site. Legally, possessing an ES is not illegal in even the slightest way.

[FourOh]

Well, legal or not... I'm pretty stoked about this E5-2670v3! So far, so good... and it out-computes an i7-5960K at less than 1/3 the price :D

[Shandia]

Well, legal or not... I'm pretty stoked about this E5-2670v3! So far, so good... and it out-computes an i7-5960K at less than 1/3 the price :D

Sounds like a big win-win. I wonder how many sellers I can spoof? "Hi! I'm with Intel and we want our CPU back. If you don't send it to us, we will send you a bill for the continuous lease of the CPU due at the end of each month until you return our property." :))

[FourOh]

Starting to see Xeon E5 26xx V4 ES units on Ebay... under $550 for 16 Broadwell-EP cores? I might be replacing my 5820k sooner than later :D

If it weren't for those pesky taxes...

[John P. Myers]

Starting to see Xeon E5 26xx V4 ES units on Ebay... under $550 for 16 Broadwell-EP cores? I might be replacing my 5820k sooner than later :D

If it weren't for those pesky taxes...

Yabut http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2699-V4-ES-2-1Ghz-55MB-22Core-LGA2011-14nm-145W-QHUP-Processor-CPU-/322074119221?hash=item4afd1d0c35:g:dn0AAOSwhDdXDlL d :D

[FourOh]

Yabut http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2699-V4-ES-2-1Ghz-55MB-22Core-LGA2011-14nm-145W-QHUP-Processor-CPU-/322074119221?hash=item4afd1d0c35:g:dn0AAOSwhDdXDlL d :D

@-) Nice! Tempting... but I don't think my motherboard would like it :p

[Mumps]

I convinced the boss to buy the 2690 V4's rather than v3's and not only do you get more cache and more cores at the same speed and TDP, it worked out $105 cheaper too. :)

[Al]

I convinced the boss to buy the 2690 V4's rather than v3's and not only do you get more cache and more cores at the same speed and TDP, it worked out $105 cheaper too. :)
...and so we just keep getting bigger and bigger....SWEET!

[nanoprobe]

I have 2 14c/28t V3 ES chips for sale. PM me if interested.