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Donate never ending jobs
Been having a problem with Donate and never ending wus, that I eventually have to abort (they run for hours). I captured a picture of it and wanted to post a picture to the donate@home forum. I didn't see a way to upload it, but looks like I can link to a picture. I thought I would try loading it here and link to it from there, sorry if that frowned on. Note the GPU usage and and progress on the Wu being pointed too.
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This is the Donate Forum thread if you are interested:
http://donateathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=105&sort=5
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I haven't run into that problem in quite a while. I used to, but since I've run 12.3, nothing has hung...
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I have tried zydor's suggested app_info.xml and moved Boinc setting for cpu % to 88% (remove 1 of 8 cpus from boinc) and so far it seems to be helping. It will need to run for awhile to know for sure. The effect of these changes is only 4 of the 8 cpus on each machine is used by cpu projects, cutting each machine CPU output in half. On the plus side, I am producing more Donate wus per hour (2 7970s went from 4 wus in 21 minutes to 4 in 19 minutes). Bad for CPU challenges, good for RAC and Donate. If it stays stable without hangs, I will try moving it back to 100%.
Zydor's app_info.xml which is placed in the projects folder contain's - (with these changes, each GPU will do 2 wus at a time at a higher GPU usage with an overall time savings).
<app_info>
<app>
<name>test</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>test615.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>test</app_name>
<version_num>615</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.9</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1</max_ncpus>
<plan_class>ati14ati</plan_class>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.5</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>test615.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
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Originally Posted by
EmSti
Been having a problem with Donate and never ending wus, that I eventually have to abort (they run for hours). I captured a picture of it and wanted to post a picture to the donate@home forum. I didn't see a way to upload it, but looks like I can link to a picture. I thought I would try loading it here and link to it from there, sorry if that frowned on. Note the GPU usage and and progress on the Wu being pointed too.
This is the Donate Forum thread if you are interested:
http://donateathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=105&sort=5
Yup, I started that forum thread that you linked in March. I haven't gone back because the admins haven't fixed the issue and I like others don't want to babysit our machines. It would be cool if it works for you Emsti. For me, I'm just going to wait until the fix is in.
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Hmmm...don't the 7970s actually get more credit per day on DiRT? Just wondering, because I don't own one...(yet???) :D Fry's has them on sale for their big anniversary sale for $447, but I know Kim would kill me if I pulled the trigger right now. :rolleyes::o:p
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DrPop
Hmmm...don't the 7970s actually get more credit per day on DiRT? Just wondering, because I don't own one...(yet???) :D Fry's has them on sale for their big anniversary sale for $447, but I know Kim would kill me if I pulled the trigger right now. :rolleyes::o:p
Maybe, don't know. Not a fan of DiRT, don't intend to crunch it unless there is a challenge. Even then I may put all GPUs in as Hydra and not EmSti.
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Oh, OK. No worries - I was just told the 7970s could get over 1Mil per day on DiRT, so I was curious compared to what you were seeing per day on Donate? The best ATI/AMD cards I have are 5870...Donate is apparantly much better for those. :)
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EmSti
Maybe, don't know. Not a fan of DiRT, don't intend to crunch it unless there is a challenge. Even then I may put all GPUs in as Hydra and not EmSti.
I'm just being curious, what is wrong with DistrRTgen?
Edit: BTW, the only reoccurring issue I have with Donate is that it will randomly kills my Windows desktop by crashing explorer.exe. Basically, the Donate app is not very stable.
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Fire$torm
I'm just being curious, what is wrong with DistrRTgen?
Edit: BTW, the only reoccurring issue I have with Donate is that it will randomly kills my Windows desktop by crashing explorer.exe. Basically, the Donate app is not very stable.
Basically I am not a fan of using a lot of free horse power to help people crack passwords. The language on their site is nice about help security experts, but the freely available tables are used to crack passwords freely. RainbowCrack and a few other programs exist to do just that. In my opinion, helping make what were secure password setups less secure isn't security. Granted this could be done with massive horsepower via other means, I just don't care to put my GPUs to the effort. My personnel preference is to crunch projects that I feel provide some benefit (of course the key is I feel, so it depends on what speaks to me).
Donate for instance interests me in 2 ways. I am intrigued by the bitcoin concept and more importantly that the funds are use to fund medical research (gpugrid). For me RAC is secondary.
BTW, On the topic of the thread, the app_info.xml change has stabilized Donate for me, I ran overnight without getting a neverending job. However, the "509 problem" is there. The 509 is the wus run extra long and produce empty result so you only get 590 credit instead of 5,900. 10% for 3 to 4 time the computing time. I did notice that this always occurs in pairs. Both wus that are sharing the same GPU will go out to lunch together. I think they have a state timeing problem in the app. Freeing up more CPU didn't stop it.
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EmSti
Basically I am not a fan of using a lot of free horse power to help people crack passwords. The language on their site is nice about help security experts, but the freely available tables are used to crack passwords freely. RainbowCrack and a few other programs exist to do just that. In my opinion, helping make what were secure password setups less secure isn't security. Granted this could be done with massive horsepower via other means, I just don't care to put my GPUs to the effort. My personnel preference is to crunch projects that I feel provide some benefit (of course the key is I feel, so it depends on what speaks to me).
Donate for instance interests me in 2 ways. I am intrigued by the bitcoin concept and more importantly that the funds are use to fund medical research (gpugrid). For me RAC is secondary.
BTW, On the topic of the thread, the app_info.xml change has stabilized Donate for me, I ran overnight without getting a neverending job. However, the "509 problem" is there. The 509 is the wus run extra long and produce empty result so you only get 590 credit instead of 5,900. 10% for 3 to 4 time the computing time. I did notice that this always occurs in pairs. Both wus that are sharing the same GPU will go out to lunch together. I think they have a state timeing problem in the app. Freeing up more CPU didn't stop it.
My sentiments exactly and therefore I second that motion. Having said that, I also have to admit that I am also a credit whore and as such I tend to crunch projects that gives me the best outcome first and than I will crunch the others as a secondary target to meet a specific need.
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Frinken GPUS. Too much work lately. I think I found a combination of cards in the pcs that makes Donate stable in 2 of the 3 machines (well as stable as it seem you can get Donate). Turns out the one problem is the MSI r7970 lightning card. It been impossible to get it to work along side of any of the other cards without cutting the output of one of the other 7970 cards by half. Runs fine by itself. Maybe a Bios level difference issues (it is different from the rest). 12.3 or 12.4 Catalyst didn't matter. It is currently in Hydra6 with a disbled 6970. It will not crunch a Donate WU all the way through with the 6970 card enabled (non-crossfire of course). I didn't have any issues when a GigaBtye 7970 was in there. <sigh>
Also, I have not confirmed, but I highly suspect some of the issues are related to MSI Afterburner or Setting EnableUlps and EnableUlps_NA to 0, which allows MSI AfterBurner to monitor the GPU temp on the second GPU. When I removed Afterburner, stomped on Catalyst (remove, boot driver sweeper, boot, you know the drill), I finally got the GPUs in the 2 machines to run at their full potential. The reason I suspect those 2 items is I finally got FireDragonto work full out, when I remembered I didn't reboot since I installed Afterburn and made the regex changes. Did the reboot and 2nd GPU started to dog. Did the whole, strip and replace bit without those 2 items and its been good since even with reboots. I have no desire at the moment to figure out if its one or both.
I swear I feel like I have reinstalled Catalyst 100 times today, trying different combos of things. Wasted an entire day working on this. :mad:
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Dang man, sorry to hear this! What a headache! I am not suggesting you do this yet (because I know next to nothing about 7970) but with the 5870 you could flash the bios from another brand. It think it is TechPowerup that has the BIOS collection from all the gamers, along with a GUI BIOS flashing and editing utility for the Radeons. Anyway, if you are sure it's a BIOS issue, may *possibly* be worth looking into. I'd probably read up on what the gamers are doing first, though. A lot of times they find the brand that gives the best O/C BIOS and then flash other cards to that one. I am sure there will be some good info out there...
Wish this stuff would just work like CPU crunching does (for the most part). The sad part is, there is no way for a team to remain even remotely competitive unless it chases high credit GPU projects as well. What to do? Because I feel you on this one... :(
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DrPop
Dang man, sorry to hear this! What a headache! I am not suggesting you do this yet (because I know next to nothing about 7970) but with the 5870 you could flash the bios from another brand. It think it is TechPowerup that has the BIOS collection from all the gamers, along with a GUI BIOS flashing and editing utility for the Radeons. Anyway, if you are sure it's a BIOS issue, may *possibly* be worth looking into. I'd probably read up on what the gamers are doing first, though. A lot of times they find the brand that gives the best O/C BIOS and then flash other cards to that one. I am sure there will be some good info out there...
Wish this stuff would just work like CPU crunching does (for the most part). The sad part is, there is no way for a team to remain even remotely competitive unless it chases high credit GPU projects as well. What to do? Because I feel you on this one... :(
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You are correct it is TechPowerup and I checked yesterday for MSI Bios. Since the lightning isn't a reference card, I am hesitant to use one that hasn't been built for the card. No word anywhere that I can find on someone upgrading the lightning.
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Yeah making progress. BlackDragon and FireDragon are still running strong with dual 7970s. Hydra6 has been interesting. I got the MSI R7970 lightning to run overnight by down clocking from the factory settings. The first problem is heat. Hydra6 can't keep it cool enough. The driver aborts at 83c but it doesn't stop the Donate job, it pretends it's still running. I happen to be looking when the message briefly showed on the screen. So down clocking to 7970 ref specs (925/1375) and it runs at 76c. Not the best, but a start and it has proven stable. The GigaByte card handled it better (which is why it was in Hydra6 to begin with).
Next problem, the 6970, when enabled, wasn't doing jack and showed as "Disabled Adapter" in Catalyst 12.4. GPU-Z showed it as running at only 250Mhz. Did some searching and found someone reporting this http://devgurus.amd.com/thread/159062. Same issue, different cards and unanswered. But it got me to thinking, what if it wanted a monitor on the card (that old problem). Connected it over to a TV VGA input and sure enough Catalyst enabled management of it and GPU-Z saw it goto 940 Mhz. Woot!. I have had 7970 and 6970 in this box for awhile without a second monitor, so color me surprised by this one. Guess I will need to find old posts for building a fake VGA dongle.
Of course now heat problem is even worse. I am using TThrottle to control Boinc on the GPUs to keep the temp down until I come up with another plan. But at least for the moment I have all 6 GPUs running. Time will tell if they stay stable.
Now, solving the air flow and heat....~X( Take a look at the Hydra6 pictures, what else can a man do?
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The saga continues...
I now suspect TIM on the R7970 lightning. Bad Tim bad. I have a floor fan pointed into Hydra6 and the card is running 100% at 82c (its own fans going full). Now I need to get up enough nerve to take the card apart and investigate or send it in for repair.
This is like having my own blog. 8-x
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Nice! Thanks for the update. Interesting that the old "need a dummy plug" thing reared its head again. Wonder if I still have one somewhere? There is a real simple way to make them out of the correct resistors (3) and a VGA plug. If I remember right YoDude on here had a bunch of them he made up awhile back.
Yeah, heat is becoming more and more the limiting factor on credits per day. I don't know if there is any other option than going full size tower case or open air on a bench with a house fan pointed at it. Even Cheetah and Puma are running hot and they are big cases with lots of airflow - easily on par with the HAF 932 I had, and the Thor V2 case is definitely larger and with more room than that.
My top card is always way hotter than the bottom one. Have you tried putting the 6970 in the top slot (and backing off the clocks on it if necessary), and then put the better 7970 on the bottom? This would allow you to at least get full blast out of the more powerful 7970 while only having to sacrifice a little from the slower card - if at all.
Just some ideas, but I think we're all in about the same boat... :)
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Originally Posted by
DrPop
Have you tried putting the 6970 in the top slot (and backing off the clocks on it if necessary), and then put the better 7970 on the bottom? This would allow you to at least get full blast out of the more powerful 7970 while only having to sacrifice a little from the slower card - if at all.
:)
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Good call, I will try that before ripping it apart. Now that you mention it, the last time I tried this card in Hydra6 it was better at the bottom. I don't recall it ever running this hot. I wonder if moving it around has loosened things. After dinner I will pull it inspect and swap spots. Silly that I didn't think to try the swap earlier.
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Good deal, please keep us updated! Also, taking the cooler off the GPU is not too hard - I did that with an older HD5830 several months ago, and do you have any Arctic Silver or similar stuff to use? If you are good at applying the very thin layer, and surfaces are tight - cooler to chip, then you will easily see a drop of 5°C over the stock TIM the companies use...
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I use PK-1 these days. It seems to work better than Artic Silver and doesn't seem to need break-in time. Which is better for machine like these which are always on, they don't get the cooling cycle needed for break-in. The only worry I have on redoing the card is the warranty. The card isn't even 2 months old yet (purchased 4/3). Ok off to move the cards around, again.
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EmSti
.........Guess I will need to find old posts for building a fake VGA dongle.
Errr emmmm FAQ anyone? ---> http://www.setiusa.us/faq.php?faq=gpu#faq_dummyplug
Note the second solution titled "The 5 Second Dummy Plug"
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Fire$torm
Thanks, I have had a chance to look for that yet.
It's only 5 sec if you don't count the time to the elctronic store or on-line shopping and for me that ends up being expensive and time consuming. I have poor impulse controls. @-)
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@EmSti - I will have to look that stuff up, then! Think I have half of an Arctic Silver tube left, though, so may be a little bit before I need it.
@F$ - :)) Nice. ;)
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\:D/ Now we do the dance of joy <where is a damn dancing banana when you need one>
I took DrPop's suggestion and went further. I thought what was really needed was a bottom chasis fan. No place for one. Unless I remove the power supply and use its intake holes for a chasis fan. Then I remembered another thread were I believe Fire$torm was given credit for moving the power supply to the drive bays. So, I ripped hydra6 apart. Used bungy cords to fasten the PSU in the bay, rerouted all wires. Put the DVD player on the parts pile. Add a fan to the bottom of the case. Swapped the GPUs. The cool thing about the PSU in the upper drive bays is you can use it as an exit fan also. I used cardboard around the front opening to make sure is was pulling air from in side the case and sending it out. The power cord sticks out the front, but who cares, its already got a growth out the back (see previous hydra6 pics).
The results... 7970 is running at 72c and the 6970 at 77c. I did tighten the cooler bolts on the 7970 and to my surprise they were a little loose, so that may have helped also. I am happy to add that all card are running full out and o.c. I couldn't be happier. Correction, if all are still running in the morning and through tomorrow I will buy myself a beer. <where's a beer drinking icon when you need one>
I will update pics and Hydra6 specs, some other time.
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EmSti
:-bd \:D/\m/
Great job EmSti! WTG. Team SETI.USA FTW **==
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That is an interesting project. Sounds like it freed up a lot of airflow in the mid-tower case. What I wonder now is if the bottom fan makes a difference in the full tower cases? Both Cheetah and Puma's cases have a slot for the fan down there, I think 120mm - just in front of where the PSU goes, but I have never put one in, wonder if it would make a difference or if it would interfere with the air flow from big side fan?...hmmm...:confused::-??
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DrPop
That is an interesting project. Sounds like it freed up a lot of airflow in the mid-tower case. What I wonder now is if the bottom fan makes a difference in the full tower cases? Both Cheetah and Puma's cases have a slot for the fan down there, I think 120mm - just in front of where the PSU goes, but I have never put one in, wonder if it would make a difference or if it would interfere with the air flow from big side fan?...hmmm...:confused::-??
I put the biggest bottom fan in I can. All three have them now that I modified H6.
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EmSti
Thanks, ...for me that ends up being expensive and time consuming. I have poor impulse controls. @-)
Man I know the feeling. LOL
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DrPop
That is an interesting project. Sounds like it freed up a lot of airflow in the mid-tower case. What I wonder now is if the bottom fan makes a difference in the full tower cases? Both Cheetah and Puma's cases have a slot for the fan down there, I think 120mm - just in front of where the PSU goes, but I have never put one in, wonder if it would make a difference or if it would interfere with the air flow from big side fan?...hmmm...:confused::-??
Well I know many of the current full towers from Corsair, Cooler Master and other manufacturers have bottom fan mount points so it most likely helps.
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Hmmm...I will have to try it this weekend then. Both Cheetah and Puma have mounts for at least a 120mm, maybe even a 140mm there, so who knows? Worth a shot, I guess. Summer is coming...:cool:
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Next goal, to try and get as close to 5 mill a day as I can out of Donate. At about 4 million now. Looking at Zydor's output on donate, I should be able to get more. I estimate he is getting over 900k a day from each of his 7970s and I have 5 plus a 6970 which is doing about 60% of the 7970. It funny, it is not so much the credits as he has set the bar high and I want my machines to get there. Pride not credits on I project I like has me fixated. Out of my way I am on a mission ...
Need to figure out how to adjust voltage without afterburner or evga precision....it's odd i have learned so much, but still know so little.
On the knowledge sharing front, with the 7970 cards and GPU-Z from techpower up you can can read your Asic quality of the GPU which basically predicts how good your GPU is and indicates the power, heat and overclocking ability. The higher the score the more overclocking room you will have in therory. FireDragon has one at 65.5 and another at 80.3, Black Dragon has 2 at about the same (all 4 the same GigaByte model with the same Bios). Hydra6 has 79.2. Hydra6 overclocks to 1125 without changing voltage (925 is reference), fricken assume. Its 7970 does 2 donate Wus every 18:05 secs. The other 7970 cards in CrossFire can only do 1090 and 18:35. But I bet if I pair up the 80+ cards I will get more out of that CrossFire pair. When I have time I will try it.
If folks don't mind, I am going to keep blogging this for future reference.
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I'm assuming you are referring to a single card of Zydor's and not his daily output. He has NEVER come close to 5M a day!
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/131/u...l/43/bestxdays
:D
Actually I should say he hit it ONE time but hasn't been over 4M a day since.
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Bryan
Sorry I may have been misleading...I figure he is doing over 900k per 7970. I have 5.6 of them. 900k x 5.6 = 5 mill. My goal is to get to 5 mill. or as close as I can. I have already passed is daily output and I am closing in on your Donate output.
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EmSti
Sorry I may have been misleading...I figure he is doing over 900k per 7970. I have 5.6 of them. 900k x 5.6 = 5 mill. My goal is to get to 5 mill. or as close as I can. I have already passed is daily output and I am closing in on your Donate output.
Cuz I had to downclock everything due to heat :)) I've got to go get some 12" fans and put to the side of the machines. It was nice a month ago when I was running Donate I would just open the window and with it down in the 20s and 30s I had no heat problems :))
BTW, there was a guy who posted a HAF 932 review on the SUSA forum last year. He had taken a 932 w/ 2 or 3 highend GPUs and made a bunch of temperature measurements. Then they did some changes to the 932 that REALLY helped.
IIRC, they changed the 10" side fan to 4 120mm fans (screw holes already there) and changed the 120mm CPU output fan to a 140mm. It dropped the temp amazingly. I'm not saying get a 932, I'm saying if you can find that article some of what they did might applicable to any tower case!
PS I have 4 932s so when you find the thread please let me know the link so I can reread it :))
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Bryan
PS I have 4 932s so when you find the thread please let me know the link so I can reread it :))
I have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...md+932&x=0&y=0
And replaced its left panel will a replacement part from cooler master store for this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-pla-_-NA-_-NA
That side fan made a world of difference. The 7970's O.C. in the 932 with side fan running at 62c and 72c. Guess which is the top card :). Edit: Currently is 81f in my office, so those cards are doing well.
If I find the thread I will let you know.
With Hydra6, I am determined to see how far I can push that case. I almost bought a HAF XM to replace it, but stubornness won.
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All 4 of mine have the 3 10" fans. But if you take a look at the side and top there are mounting holes for 120mm fans. The review said they had dropped the temp big time by changing the 10" side fan to 4 120mm. I'll have to see if I can find that article.
Congrats on taking over top dog in Donate ... anytime you outproduce stoneageman you are doing well !!
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I'm loving the read on this EmSti.
Would you mind starting another thread with your progress? You have lots of good info here on the 7970 cards for this project. (BTW, you are making me itch for an new card) We have a few members that may be getting ready to jump at a few 7970's and would love to keep this info and your experiences handy. ;)
