Zotac GT 430 PCI slot GPU info

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Originally Posted by Crazybob

Disabling the onboard in the device manager did the trick. Was a little newvous at first, when it didn't post to either adapter. The n I noticed machine was accessing network, so tried the new card again and there it was. Thanks DP! Thought I was going to be SOL on this one.:)

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Yep! between his computer and mine we put up an additional 175,160 credit. Looks like they are getting 8,758 credit/wu and taking roughly 3hrs per wu.

Sweet! That's a nice chunk o' credits for the team. :D Great increase!

added the second card to my 6 core. Already has a GTX460 in it. Device manager recognizes it. GPU-Z says it is under 99% load, but the CUDA check box is not checked and BOINC says the box is only running 1 instance of PG. I have a CC_Config file to tell it to use all GPU's. Didn't see anything at PG to tell it to do the same. If I pull up the box at PG, it only lists the 460. Any clues?

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Originally Posted by Crazybob

added the second card to my 6 core. Already has a GTX460 in it. Device manager recognizes it. GPU-Z says it is under 99% load, but the CUDA check box is not checked and BOINC says the box is only running 1 instance of PG. I have a CC_Config file to tell it to use all GPU's. Didn't see anything at PG to tell it to do the same. If I pull up the box at PG, it only lists the 460. Any clues?

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Not sure. I would hazard a guess that the the nVidia driver needs to be reinstalled and or project needs to be reset. In that order. And remember to use Driver Sweeper.

Edit: Try extending your desktop first. Normally not required for nVidia but in rare cases it helps.

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Originally Posted by Fire$torm

Not sure. I would hazard a guess that the the nVidia driver needs to be reinstalled and or project needs to be reset. In that order. And remember to use Driver Sweeper.

Edit: Try extending your desktop first. Normally not required for nVidia but in rare cases it helps.

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Yeah i've had to reinstall drivers when adding a second card, even though it's the same driver. It's like it sets itself up only for the exact number of cards in the system at the time of installation.

Still screwing with this thing without any luck. I disabled the 460 and rebooted. Boot-up was to the 460 and then switched to the 430, so it does work. GPU-Z says both cards are under 99% load. 1 Instance of PG running. Attached to Dirt to see if maybe the 430 wouldn't crunch PG. Restarted BOINC. Wouldn't connect to DIRT. Re-enabled 460. Rebooted. BOINC had acquired a SL of DIRT, but was only crunching 1 DIRT WU and no PG. Clicked on NVIDIA icon ib systray. Says the 430 is for display 2, and 460 for display 1, is this significant? Running out of patience with this.:mad:

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Originally Posted by Crazybob

Still screwing with this thing without any luck. I disabled the 460 and rebooted. Boot-up was to the 460 and then switched to the 430, so it does work. GPU-Z says both cards are under 99% load. 1 Instance of PG running. Attached to Dirt to see if maybe the 430 wouldn't crunch PG. Restarted BOINC. Wouldn't connect to DIRT. Re-enabled 460. Rebooted. BOINC had acquired a SL of DIRT, but was only crunching 1 DIRT WU and no PG. Clicked on NVIDIA icon ib systray. Says the 430 is for display 2, and 460 for display 1, is this significant? Running out of patience with this.:mad:

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What doe BOINC say about the card in the Event Log? Is it recognized as existing since everything else sees it?

It says Nvidia gpu 430 not used, Not sure why?

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Originally Posted by Crazybob

It says Nvidia gpu 430 not used, Not sure why?

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Add the following to your cc_config.xml file

<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>

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<use_all_gpus>
If set, use GPUs even if they're not equivalent to the most capable one. New in 6.6.25

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Note: 1 = Enabled, 0 = Disabled

I KNOW you should have to do this with Nvidia...but I swear I had to do it once when I added a 2nd 570. Plug both cards into a monitor or use a dummy plug. Yeah, yeah, I know, but humor me. It sounds like you covered all the other bases. I came in late on this so sorry if I missed it..you did extend the monitor onto the 430? Sorry if everyone thinks I'm crazy, but this truly worked for me once. I haven't had to do it since. What do you have to lose, but a couple of minutes.

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Originally Posted by Al McAdams

I KNOW you should have to do this with Nvidia...but I swear I had to do it once when I added a 2nd 570. Plug both cards into a monitor or use a dummy plug. Yeah, yeah, I know, but humor me. It sounds like you covered all the other bases. I came in late on this so sorry if I missed it..you did extend the monitor onto the 430? Sorry if everyone thinks I'm crazy, but this truly worked for me once. I haven't had to do it since. What do you have to lose, but a couple of minutes.

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I had to do that (second monitor cable) with my daily desktop. Still needs it. HD 5830 (in slot 01) and 8800GT (in slot 02). My other systems have similar setups but do not need the dummy plug for nVidia. Go Figure.

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Originally Posted by Fire$torm

Add the following to your cc_config.xml file

<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>



Note: 1 = Enabled, 0 = Disabled

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Have that in my cc_config.xml already. Just to be sure, it is in my programfiles/Boinc folder. If I try another monitor, will I need a dummy plug from now on? I thought only the ATI cards needed a dummy.

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Originally Posted by Crazybob

Have that in my cc_config.xml already. Just to be sure, it is in my programfiles/Boinc folder. If I try another monitor, will I need a dummy plug from now on? I thought only the ATI cards needed a dummy.

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If you got it in your programfiles/Boinc folder it is in the wrong place. It should be in the Programdata/Boinc folder if you are using Win7, otherwise I shut up...:)

Gosh Darn, some kinda beech, farg'n icehole of peice of shite! I've been screwing with this thing forever and the file was in the wrong spot. I feel like an idgiot!:mad::o:mad::o:mad::o:mad::o:o:mad::o:mad:: o

Biproduct is that using ncpus of 32 gives me a shite load of SIMAP!

Thanks for all your suggestions guys. I probably would have just gave up without you.

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Originally Posted by Crazybob

Gosh Darn, some kinda beech, farg'n icehole of peice of shite! I've been screwing with this thing forever and the file was in the wrong spot. I feel like an idgiot!:mad::o:mad::o:mad::o:mad::o:o:mad::o:mad:: o

Biproduct is that using ncpus of 32 gives me a shite load of SIMAP!

Thanks for all your suggestions guys. I probably would have just gave up without you.

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=)) Hey man, it happens. Welcome to the "Momentary Loss of Mind" club..........

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Originally Posted by Fire$torm

=)) Hey man, it happens. Welcome to the "Momentary Loss of Mind" club..........

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It's like when I call Tech Support, having tried everything in the world I can think of, and they tell me to reset the modem. I usually tell them they need to punch me in the face. :p

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Originally Posted by Al McAdams

BTW, some MB's disable the x1 slot when the x16's are full. Gigabyte boards in particular.

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So what's the trick to get the mobo to enable the card?

I have a gb and I went and initialized the pci card first, but still I can't see it in the device manager. I had it plugged into the monitor and it was working, but once I put the monitor back on the 480 it hasn't appeared since.

I'll keep trying, but I might have to start drinking soon....holy wtf it's miller time anyway.

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Originally Posted by krazy k

So what's the trick to get the mobo to enable the card?

I have a gb and I went and initialized the pci card first, but still I can't see it in the device manager. I had it plugged into the monitor and it was working, but once I put the monitor back on the 480 it hasn't appeared since.

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My guess is that it isn't the MB. I would try shutting down, removing the card, reboot, shut down, reinstall the card and see if Windows recognizes the new hardware. If it does Windows may try to install its default driver. Win7 is very persistent so I let it, then install the driver that came with the card. Reboot and you should be set. I've never had to hook a monitor to a NVIDIA card to get it to install correctly, so I'd just leave it hooked to the 480.

I'm running a pcie 430 in a pci slot, using an adapter, and it works fine. Keep posting and we'll help you work through this bump in the road. :beer:

Wow - where'd you get an adapter from pci-e to a PCI slot? I was looking all over for one of those back in the day when I had an old dual Xeon server - would have been nice to have back then!:p

Yea well we may never know what the cause was, but it's sorta working now.

On dirt the 430 runs a task, but never completes it. The timer counts up and I gave it over 2 hours to complete a task, but it never did. I put the work back on primegrid and my 8800 just tripped out every task...

So one step forward, but a smaller less powerful step back.

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Originally Posted by DrPop

Wow - where'd you get an adapter from pci-e to a PCI slot? I was looking all over for one of those back in the day when I had an old dual Xeon server - would have been nice to have back then!:p

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This is the one I use.

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Originally Posted by krazy k

So what's the trick to get the mobo to enable the card?

I have a gb and I went and initialized the pci card first, but still I can't see it in the device manager. I had it plugged into the monitor and it was working, but once I put the monitor back on the 480 it hasn't appeared since.

I'll keep trying, but I might have to start drinking soon....holy wtf it's miller time anyway.

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Long shot but might work. Uninstall nVidia drivers, then open device manager, remove any/all video cards listed and shut down computer. Pull the PCIe card out of the system and then boot into safe mode. Run Driver Sweeper and CCleaner then reboot. Find the latest nVidia driver that supports both cards (note: make sure it supports PCI and not just the card model) and install. Now run BOINC to find out if it can now see the card. If it does then shut down system. Install the other card and boot into safe mode. This is important as safe mode forces Windows to reset all pre-boot cache files and settings. Now reboot normally. 50/50 chance this will work. Windows is a flaky POS so sometimes you have to jump through a bunch of hoops that's in the middle of a gater infested swamp to get it to work like it is supposed to...... Its a pain!

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Originally Posted by Al McAdams

This is the one I use.

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Thanks! I wish they would have made one 2 years ago! I may have use for one at some point though. :)

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Originally Posted by DrPop

Thanks! I wish they would have made one 2 years ago! I may have use for one at some point though. :)

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I've seen similar stuff in the past though not available at most mass market etailers like Newegg.

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Originally Posted by krazy k

Yea well we may never know what the cause was, but it's sorta working now.

On dirt the 430 runs a task, but never completes it. The timer counts up and I gave it over 2 hours to complete a task, but it never did. I put the work back on primegrid and my 8800 just tripped out every task...

So one step forward, but a smaller less powerful step back.

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So now both the 8800 and the 430 are failing tasks on gpu/primegrid and the 430 still isn't completing any tasks on dirt. Well I don't see how this could happen, but I'm sending this thing back.

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Originally Posted by krazy k

So now both the 8800 and the 430 are failing tasks on gpu/primegrid and the 430 still isn't completing any tasks on dirt. Well I don't see how this could happen, but I'm sending this thing back.

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Man that sucks... Wish knew some tricks to make it work... :(

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Originally Posted by krazy k

So now both the 8800 and the 430 are failing tasks on gpu/primegrid and the 430 still isn't completing any tasks on dirt. Well I don't see how this could happen, but I'm sending this thing back.

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Bummer. Sorry I could not be of any help.

will order one in may for my wifes old computer. think its a 1.2ghz or 1.6 but im sure it has a pci slot. going to max out the ram in that one too.

If I stick 4 of these and a single slot pcie 16 card in one box do I need more ram? I have 2 gb now.

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Originally Posted by kaptainkarl1

If I stick 4 of these and a single slot pcie 16 card in one box do I need more ram? I have 2 gb now.

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I would hazard a guess and say YES! I would also suggest investing in more/better case fans for intake and exhaust.

How much would you suggest? I will have to see how the heat buildup goes. This is an old dual core HP that happens to have 4 pci slots! Already running 1 of these in it now. Gonna buy two more with the rebate for April and some ram as well.

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Originally Posted by kaptainkarl1

How much would you suggest? I will have to see how the heat buildup goes. This is an old dual core HP that happens to have 4 pci slots! Already running 1 of these in it now. Gonna buy two more with the rebate for April and some ram as well.

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At least double it. But you may run into a problem. I'll take a guess and say your system uses DDR2. With DDR2 you will need to double check system requirements and inspect what kind of sticks are already installed as some systems can use only single sided sticks (RAM chips occupy only one side of the circuit board) and other systems do not allow a mix of single and double sided sticks. Of course you will also have to purchase RAM that matches the speed of what you have already, unless you plan on replacing the old stuff.

Question: Which HP model do you have?

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Originally Posted by coronicus

Man that sucks... Wish knew some tricks to make it work... :(

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What driver version is everyone using? 296.10 for me and it fails or doesn't do anything on collatz. Think it could be the card?

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Originally Posted by krazy k

What driver version is everyone using? 296.10 for me and it fails or doesn't do anything on collatz. Think it could be the card?

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I'm using 285.62 on my 2x570 system win7 64. My winxp 32 system with 2x430 and a 560ti 448 core uses 285.66. No problems running anything.

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Originally Posted by krazy k

What driver version is everyone using? 296.10 for me and it fails or doesn't do anything on collatz. Think it could be the card?

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JPM's first post in this thread only mentioned that he used this card on Dirt. For my 8800GT I still use 266.58 and can crunch Dirt, Moo & Donate. I'll give Collatz a try and report back asap.

Edit: Collatz is now running on my 8800GT so give 266.58 a try.

2nd Edit: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-wi...ql-driver.html

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Originally Posted by Fire$torm

At least double it. But you may run into a problem. I'll take a guess and say your system uses DDR2. With DDR2 you will need to double check system requirements and inspect what kind of sticks are already installed as some systems can use only single sided sticks (RAM chips occupy only one side of the circuit board) and other systems do not allow a mix of single and double sided sticks. Of course you will also have to purchase RAM that matches the speed of what you have already, unless you plan on replacing the old stuff.

Question: Which HP model do you have?

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Whoops! Its a Dell Dimension DIME521
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+

Any Idea what I could put in this old beast? It only has two ram slots if I remember correctly...Considering I thought it was an HP up until now.

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Originally Posted by kaptainkarl1

Whoops! Its a Dell Dimension DIME521
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+

Any Idea what I could put in this old beast? It only has two ram slots if I remember correctly...Considering I thought it was an HP up until now.

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Good Evening, Cap'n! Well hmmm...sometimes it is worth upgrading the old beast and sometimes not. ;) I have been round and round myself on stuff like this at many times in my life. The biggest question that comes to mind is, this being a "mini" BTX system, can you fit a good PSU in there? If not, what is the wattage of the current PSU? That is likely to be your limiting factor on an old Dell / HP / insert "Brand" here.

CPU: If you want to use the stock cooler on the CPU (i.e. you don't want to mod the case!) then the best CPU you can stick in there is the AMD Athlon X2 6000+ for just shy of $50 - this is due to the 6400+ CPU taking a lot more watts, and the stock cooler probably can't hack it.

RAM: 4GB DDR2 800 (as in four sticks of 1GB supported) Not sure, but *sometimes* with the latest BIOS update you can get 2 sticks of 2GB working in these old things, but they only have 32Bit Memory addressing in the chipset, so the chipset is limited at 4GB (actually Windows will only see 3.5GB - no matter if you run 64bit version or not).

GPU: Pretty much sky is the limit for crunching because you have a PCI-e X16 slot w/ 8GBs/sec bandwidth. No worries there, even though it's only revision 1 of PCi-e, the card will crunch no problem! The issue here is going to be PSU - can you put a more powerful PSU in this rig? If not, you are limited to the 305W of the original Dell PSU. Not many "big" PCI-e GPUs can run off of the little you will have to give it - perhaps you could throw a GTX 460 in there, and be safe - but that would mean NO other GPUs at all - don't even think about doing anything else to it on the stock PSU. :)
Your 2 PCI slots you *could* fill up with the PCI version of the GTX 430 they are talking about in this thread as well. Depending on how big your primary GPU is that you stick in that PCI-e slot, heat may become a problem - or you can just leave the case off if it's in the right setting! :D

Hope this helps a little. ;)

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Originally Posted by DrPop

Good Evening, Cap'n! Well hmmm...sometimes it is worth upgrading the old beast and sometimes not. ;) I have been round and round myself on stuff like this at many times in my life. The biggest question that comes to mind is, this being a "mini" BTX system, can you fit a good PSU in there? If not, what is the wattage of the current PSU? That is likely to be your limiting factor on an old Dell / HP / insert "Brand" here.

CPU: If you want to use the stock cooler on the CPU (i.e. you don't want to mod the case!) then the best CPU you can stick in there is the AMD Athlon X2 6000+ for just shy of $50 - this is due to the 6400+ CPU taking a lot more watts, and the stock cooler probably can't hack it.

RAM: 4GB DDR2 800 (as in four sticks of 1GB supported) Not sure, but *sometimes* with the latest BIOS update you can get 2 sticks of 2GB working in these old things, but they only have 32Bit Memory addressing in the chipset, so the chipset is limited at 4GB (actually Windows will only see 3.5GB - no matter if you run 64bit version or not).

GPU: Pretty much sky is the limit for crunching because you have a PCI-e X16 slot w/ 8GBs/sec bandwidth. No worries there, even though it's only revision 1 of PCi-e, the card will crunch no problem! The issue here is going to be PSU - can you put a more powerful PSU in this rig? If not, you are limited to the 305W of the original Dell PSU. Not many "big" PCI-e GPUs can run off of the little you will have to give it - perhaps you could throw a GTX 460 in there, and be safe - but that would mean NO other GPUs at all - don't even think about doing anything else to it on the stock PSU. :)
Your 2 PCI slots you *could* fill up with the PCI version of the GTX 430 they are talking about in this thread as well. Depending on how big your primary GPU is that you stick in that PCI-e slot, heat may become a problem - or you can just leave the case off if it's in the right setting! :D

Hope this helps a little. ;)

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I found this on Dell's website and gave a shot at trying to recreate the formatting here. What a pain in the arse........

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Processors
Processor type	AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 dual-core processor AMD Athlon 64 processor AMD Sempron™ processor
Level 2 (L2) cache	Up to 1 MB per core Up to 256 KB for Sempron processors

Memory
Type	533-MHz, 667-MHz, 800-MHz (when available) DDR2 SDRAM
Memory connectors	four
Memory capacities	256 MB, 512 MB, or 1 GB non-ECC
Maximum memory	4 GB NOTE: See Addressing Memory With 4-GB Configurations to verify the amount of memory available to the operating system.

Computer Information
Chipset	Nvidia GeForce 6150LE
RAID Support	RAID 1 (Mirroring)
DMA channels	eight
Interrupt levels	24
BIOS chip (NVRAM)	4 Mb
NIC	Integrated network interface capable of 10/100 communication

Video
Type	Nvidia integrated video (DirectX 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 Graphics Processing Unit) or optional PCI Express x16 graphics card

Audio
Type	Sigmatel 9227 CODEC (7.1 Channel audio)

Expansion Bus 
Bus type	PCI 2.3 PCI Express 1.0A SATA 1.0 and 2.0 USB 2.0
Bus speed	PCI: 133 MB/s PCI Express: x1 slot bidirectional speed - 500 MB/s x16 slot bidirectional speed - 8 GB/s SATA: 1.5 Gbps and 3.0 Gbps USB: 480 Mbps high speed, 12 Mbps full speed, 1.2 Mbps low speed
PCI	 
connectors	two
connector size	124 pins
connector data width (maximum)	32 bits
PCI Express	 
connector	one x1
connector size	36 pins
connector data width (maximum)	1 PCI Express lane
PCI Express	 
connector	one x16
connector size	164 pins
connector data width (maximum)	16 PCI Express lanes

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Links:

Specifications - Dell™ Dimension™ E521 Service Manual

Removing and Installing Parts - Dell™ Dimension™ E521 Service Manual

Dell™ Dimension™ E521 Service Manual

Dell™ Dimension™ E521 Manuals - PDF Format

Oh darn! The rebate expired. On 4/30. Wait... What's that you say? There's another $20 rebate now available that 's good until the end of May? Oh happy joy! :)

Now I wonder if the May rebate "limit of two" is independent of the April limit. :)

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Oh darn! The rebate expired. On 4/30. Wait... What's that you say? There's another $20 rebate now available that 's good until the end of May? Oh happy joy! :)

Now I wonder if the May rebate "limit of two" is independent of the April limit. :)

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I only see it for the PCI Express versions, not the PCI version.