Could use some help for these team MegaMilestones: Jan 2011

Aqua flows over 1 BILLION!! We are in sole procession of #1 on this Team MM plateau. SG and 2ch are tied for 2nd with LAF wallowing in 4th place.

Three Team MM's in three days. I'll see if I can make it 4 in 4 days with CAS@Home.

Remember two things at least. These Team MM's are only marginally important compared to or relative to being #1 in total credits and RAC. The other thing is the goal of this project was to improve the Team MM positions a bit for appearance and any bragging rights (and to be a thorn in other team's sides) but more importantly not let a MM be needlessly missed for lack of a little attention to a stalled or neglected project (No more GeneticLife's).

Once all goals in this post are met the next installment of this team MM project will have to involve longer term efforts from other team members to improve our Team MM positions.

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Originally Posted by NJCaNS

Aqua flows over 1 BILLION!! We are in sole procession of #1 on this Team MM plateau. SG and 2ch are tied for 2nd with LAF wallowing in 4th place.

Three Team MM's in three days. I'll see if I can make it 4 in 4 days with CAS@Home.

Remember two things at least. These Team MM's are only marginally important compared to or relative to being #1 in total credits and RAC. The other thing is the goal of this project was to improve the Team MM positions a bit for appearance and any bragging rights (and to be a thorn in other team's sides) but more importantly not let a MM be needlessly missed for lack of a little attention to a stalled or neglected project (No more GeneticLife's).

Once all goals in this post are met the next installment of this team MM project will have to involve longer term efforts from other team members to improve our Team MM positions.

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Update: CAS@Home is over 1 million so it was four Team MM in four consecutive days. The vacuum created by this flurry of activity apparently sucked AlmereGrid into the 1 million credit column today also. Nice work team.

I'll see if I can do something that shows the changes over the last 2-3 months from this focus.

Look to the Team Top Ten MM post in this same forum to see if you can help with beefing up another Team MM category. If that's what floats your boat. :)

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Originally Posted by trigggl

I've got to say SZTAKI feels like a float trip I had in Texas once. The wind was blowing us upstream. When the water was actually moving forward it was too shallow to float across. We were either rowing or carrying the canoe just to move forward. That's what SZTAKI feels like, twice the work for half the gain.

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Lolol. Well said, I have been on it for nearly 18 months for the most part, and still only 60k. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by denim

Lolol. Well said, I have been on it for nearly 18 months for the most part, and still only 60k. :rolleyes:

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Well, there was a bit of a ramp up. I'm doing ok, now, though.

Well, we did it. The team now has 10 Mil in MalariaControl.

Movin' on. Nothing left to see here. :)

Anybody interested in a 25 Mil push on YoYo? I'll throw in 1.5 Mil on it starting in about a week or two. If we vote Maxwell into making it another 1 Mil target for him, that leaves less than 2 mil for the rest of the team to throw in.

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Originally Posted by Mumps

Well, we did it. The team now has 10 Mil in MalariaControl.

Movin' on. Nothing left to see here. :)

Anybody interested in a 25 Mil push on YoYo? I'll throw in 1.5 Mil on it starting in about a week or two. If we vote Maxwell into making it another 1 Mil target for him, that leaves less than 2 mil for the rest of the team to throw in.

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Nice work, Mumps! And Yoyo is my next 1M target, but I'm only 11k away from it. Should be there soon...

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Originally Posted by Mumps

Well, we did it. The team now has 10 Mil in MalariaControl.

Movin' on. Nothing left to see here. :)

Anybody interested in a 25 Mil push on YoYo? I'll throw in 1.5 Mil on it starting in about a week or two. If we vote Maxwell into making it another 1 Mil target for him, that leaves less than 2 mil for the rest of the team to throw in.

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Nice work BlackOps and Mumps. I noticed the climb and appreciate the focused effort to knock down another Team MM and make sure a project doesn't lag just short of a MM. I assume BlackOps will hang around long enough to reach 1 million and knock that Z guy down to 3rd place on the team. :cool:
Personally I'm not sure what's next. Since the team needs over all points I was thinking AndrOINC for me and aiding with pushing it to 50 million. Otherwise I was thinking either Sztaki for maybe a team top ten and pushing it closer to the 5 million level. The other contender would be Chess960 to get it to 1 million. Maybe that would be a good kick hit for BlackOps?
But seriously, we're going to have to focus on overall/maximum points but that's for a different post.

Anyways, thanks again for the 10 million on MC.:)>-

So, Chess isn't really an option, since they are not accepting new accounts (if they are, someone people tell me how I can get one). Sudoku would be a good one, since the team is under 1M there and they have steady work at the moment. I have one machine there since (for some odd reason I'm too lazy to diagnose) it refuses to get work via the proxy server. RNA might also work to push it over 2.5M...

Yeah, I have an account on Chess. I am working it as much as possible. In addition to being closed for new accounts, there is also very limited work. I'll get us to at least 1M.

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Yeah, I have an account on Chess. I am working it as much as possible. In addition to being closed for new accounts, there is also very limited work. I'll get us to at least 1M.

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HEY, don't forget about me. :))
I'm in for the push for the team's 1M and probably beyond. ;)

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Originally Posted by DrBob

HEY, don't forget about me. :))
I'm in for the push for the team's 1M and probably beyond. ;)

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How did I forget!? Sorry about that!

Ding!

The team hit 1M for Sudoku yesterday, and that was our 76th 1M. This puts us in 1st place by 4. Yay!

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Originally Posted by NJCaNS

Otherwise I was thinking either Sztaki for maybe a team top ten and pushing it closer to the 5 million level.

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Done and Done. Both the Team 5 Mil and the Team Top 10 (9th) on Sztaki.

Awesome job!

blah blah blah blah

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Originally Posted by Mumps

Done and Done. Both the Team 5 Mil and the Team Top 10 (9th) on Sztaki.

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Sweet, I will stay on it for a while though.

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Originally Posted by Mumps

Done and Done. Both the Team 5 Mil and the Team Top 10 (9th) on Sztaki.

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Thank you and well done. I was watching and hoping you'd stay with it and you saved me from jumping in there if it wound up just under 5 million.>:D<

Moo! Wrapper erased our ugly 4th place from the 25 million level, will knock SG down to 3rd at 50 million MM and dare we dream, eradicate the super ugly 5th place (turning it into a 2nd place) at 100 million.8->

BTW: what is a Moo! Wrapper? Some sort of genetically engineered leather? 3:-O

Hmmm, I've been following this thread with a mixed interest, until this last post really got me to thinking. I am not meaning to start a brawl with the MM dudes here. This is a legitimate question. Do you think anyone on S.G. or any other team really does look at these "MM scores" and tries to do battle with us on them? Or is it more like, the other "big teams" are concerned with being #1 overall, and these kind of "MM place holders" come automatically when a big, diverse team crunches whatever the individuals on that team like to crunch?

I'm actually very interested in knowing how many, if any, other crunchers out there look at MM's like some of you do here on this team - it would help our "marketing efforts" if we knew what caught people's eye the most.

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Originally Posted by DrPop

Do you think anyone on S.G. or any other team really does look at these "MM scores" and tries to do battle with us on them?

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Particular stats are meaningful to those who feel particular stats are meaningful. QED. :D

Seriously though, you think "total team credits" are important, right? Why? Because you think so? Or because you think others think so? Or...?


There are an infinite ways to measure a marshmallow. Is there a right way? Most popular? Most logical?

I could propose the worst method: A progressive (regressive?) method that applies a correction factor so that we all end up with the same score... Oh yeah, the DA method.

If it were true that other teams, or at least some people on other teams, didn't care about these, then several things would be true:

1. SETI.USA would be #1 in pretty much all the lower Team MM categories (we're not).
2. SETI.USA would be actively crunching substantially more projects than the other big teams (we're not).
3. Other teams would not report milestones (they do).
I'm sure there are others, but it's past 2am, and my brain is firing on its last cylinder...

The bigger issue is what "being #1" means. I'm not kidding when I say that I can think of at least (and this is a conservative estimate) 130 different ways to measure "Being #1". Let's look at a few...

- Overall BOINC Combined. Measured here. Yep, we're #3, and will probably drop to #4 soon.
- DC-Vault. This is a measure of overall contribution across all active distributed computing projects. We're ranked 16th.
- Keystrokes counted via Whatpulse. We don't have a rank, because we don't have a team. The #1 team? Dutch Power Cows. Who also happens to be fairly highly ranked in both DC-Vault and BOINC Combined.
- Folding@Home. There are twice as many Folding teams as there are BOINC teams. What's our rank there? 574.

If overall BOINC combined is the only thing people care about, then stop crunching most stuff. Ignore PG challenges. Forget the Pentathlon. Don't respond to any competition request. Put CUDA on PG, ATI on whatever project is paying the most (Moo at the moment, at least for single ATI cards), and CPUs on Aqua and Primaboinca. Ignore everything else and wait for someone from the MM crew to tell you about awesome credits.

Personally, I'd rather the team be ranked #5 in 100 different ways to measure Number One than #1 in very few.

Speaking of overall boinc combined stats, we hit 16 Billion as a team today!
SG is at #1 with a roughly 2B lead, Laf is 2nd, and Sic is about 1.9B below us in 4th place and gaining fast. I personally prefer to jump on whatever pays the highest and keeps them from passing us. I get the MM's as I go. For a long time, it was MW/Collatz. Then came Dnet. then Dnet was gone. Switched back MW. Now comes Moo. I just happened to hit MM's along the way. Maybe we should prioritize MM's according to credit. Is it really that important that we're #1 in Eon2 that pays about 3 credits per hour per core? MM's provide a goal to achieve, but does it help or hinder the overall goal?

http://www.setiusa.us/content.php?11...A-Team-History

I'll give you my take on this..

Yes, other people on other teams are interested in the MM's. I've had quite a few emails/PM's etc from a diversity of teams. Everyone tends to be different and to each their own as to particular goals, whatever makes it fun is what you should do IMO. A number of times over the years my interest has started to wane for differing reasons, but then I look for a new challenge.

That's how the MM's came about. I've got a passion for statistics I guess and I enjoy working with databases. Calculating the MM's is just another way of analyzing the data I collect. Milestones in particular fascinate me, especially the trend analysis of them.

My recent work has been to record the (1st to xxxxxx) milestones. Might badgify (tm) these.. Just a pity I don't have milestone data prior to April 2008.

OK, thanks to all who responded there. Like I said, wasn't in my mind to start a ruckus - it is no secret what I personally, would like to see for this team's future - this was just to bounce some ideas around.

I personally like to crunch for max credits, and then it's cool to see the MMs come - like hitting 10Mil in something or 50Mil or whatever...that's really cool to see it measured like that! :cool: I like the progress factor.

I wearing two hats here, though. For the next 12 months (if ya'll let me finish out my term :p;)), I have to try to figure out how to grow this team; where to put my effort until the next admin is chosen. Obviously, becoming a farmer and cranking out as many credits as I can while my name's in red here, well, that's part one of strategy. If folks can see I'm putting some blood and sweat and tears into this, then maybe, just maybe it will help unify for the cause a little. :o

The next part of the strategy is trying to get other (primarily USA based) teams to help / merge with us to present a larger USA front to the International BOINC community on challenges, and score boards etc. We're working on it, but have met with serious resistance (not like it wasn't expected, but you still have to put the effort out.)

Third phase, which I'm still mulling over and haven't even started yet, is the marketing campaign.
To quote zombie "you think "total team credits" are important, right? Why? Because you think so? Or because you think others think so? Or...?"

OK, here's the honest truth. If I didn't think other crunchers out there, or any new, or future crunchers "cared" about who was on top, that "#1 Overall World Wide" position would hold little appeal. I would honestly crunch things like Einstein because I like what they're doing.
However, let's be honest with each other. People are superficial. Waaaaay too superficial, let me tell you. In my business I run in to that constantly.
I know that people, once they get "hooked" on crunching, or even just start out of curiosity, well, many don't even join a team. They don't know much about it. The ones that do join a team, join either because of friendship - pull - or they join a "big team". Why? Because folks just want to be winners. It's psychology. You can't reason that out of people. MUCH MORE of our decisions are based on emotion than fact. Maxwell, of all people, can tell you more about this than anyone due to his education.

Therefore, it is imperative that we climb as high in the World Wide Rankings as possible; to strive to attain that #1 overall mark as a goal. It doesn't so much matter that we are #1 today, as the knowledge that we are striving for, and will get there someday. That is the attitude that makes a difference. That is the desire, the "burning" that will bring big crunchers, little crunchers, dedicated crunchers - all of them - to our team.

However, and this is where my question comes in: Are there crunchers out there who are saying, "hmmm...what team has the most 100K's? I'd like to join that one." Or another who says, "hmmm....what team has the most 10Mil's? I have a lot of those, so I'd like to go there."
IF - and it's a BIG IF - there are crunchers new and old, out there who are looking at the stats that way, then our "marketing" pitch and attitude should be to provide a nice place for some of them.

That is why I'm asking the question. How many of those folks are out there? Are they a large %? Even if they are a small % of the total, do they have a large % of the firepower (like Paul L, and Zombie, etc.)
Those are some questions that might make MM's more meaningful to those of us trying to grow the team. My "discussion" has nothing to do with whether or not "#1 Overall" or "MM's" are a "better" way of determining a team's strength or progress. It is literally to each their own - there is, and never will be - cross project parity.
It is simply a matter of deciding together how much weight we should throw into MM's as a team - because they can easily be a personal goal - but we're talking about a team goal here...one of growing, thriving, and being the happiest, most satisfied, best working BOINC team in the world.:)

Well, DrPop, how about this as a take on your thought process. If having your name at the top of the BOINC overall list seems important, wouldn't it also be great to see your name at the top of most every list a potential recruit might run into? If you start meandering through all these neat little stats pages, and spot that TeamA is in the Top5 in, like, Everything, and happens to align with your interests/nationality/etc, that may sway a Team decision as well. Similar to seeing it mentioned predominantly in all the various Project forums in their Team Recruitment threads...

As Maxwell and Zombie67 mentioned, it really comes down to what catches your eye at the time you're looking around at this stuff.

It certainly is hard to find a list of stats that we aren't somewhere near the top in. But it also irks me that SG and Laf are 1 and 2 overall. I'm fairly certain we have more high end, high production equipment than they do. We just need to figure out the best way to deploy it to keep the MM's rolling AND make it to the top at the same time.

Just a thought here: This is an open forum right?? IMHO, this sort of stuff should be talked about "in house". Again, just a thought.

Let me say my two cents worth from an outsider point of view. I am saying an outsider because I am not a full time member and as such I feel my thoughts might just add to ways of improving a team that is already recognized by most as one of the leaders in the field.

You might know the old saying "A Jack of all trades and a master of none", and another, "Together we'll conquer, divided we'll fall". Those two sayings suits the subject under discussion.

So, let's talk about the Jack of all trades first. Whilst you have lots of members, individually they all tend to crunch a project of their choice. For example, I started crunching in memory of relatives and friends who died of cancer and Muscular Dystrophy. As such, initially I chose to crunch WCG and Rosetta. In time I got hooked and expanded to other Biomedical field type projects. Soon, my competitive nature took over and I joined a Team. Because I live in Australia, I joined the biggest team BOINC@Australia because a newcomer or in this case me I felt safe in the comfort of a winning team. After awhile I felt that the team politics did not suit me and they did not have an effective leader I left and created a new team called Aussie Alliance. Unfortunately, I am not a genius in attracting new members and I handed over the leadership of this team to another member leaving me free to do what I wanted, crunch for whoever I wanted and join and or leave a team according to my wishes. One of the things that I did not like about BOINC@Australia was the lack of internal strive or perhaps more correctly their lack of sticking together to make the team get ahead and reach a higher goal. Consequently this team has achieved some great milestones but they are stuck in a loop because they are divided too much without any chance of becoming the top team. Not unlike the Jack of all trades master of none saying.

During the second world war there was a great propaganda person by the name of Goebells in Nazi Germany. This guy in particular was so good at what he was doing that he united the people of Germany for their cause right or wrong and followed Hitler. Now, this might be an extreme example of the united we stand divided we fall cliché it serves to illustrate that if somebody could convince the membership to follow a predetermined Goal whether it be the top team in the world or the top in MM or in deed in any challenge it can be done. On the other hand if the membership continue to follow their own nose you will achieve great results because of the number of members but will never be on top in anything.

I guess what I am trying to say is that it is extremely difficult to recruit new members because in the current economic crisis because people are leaving rather than joining BOINC. So rather than trying a campaign to recruit, why not try an internal campaign to convince current members to set a goal and all stick to it. Having said that one should realize that members are individuals and if pressed too hard they might even leave because it might be perceived as team politics and some just like to crunch irrespective. There is no easy solution...

Thanks for chiming in with that, Pete! I agree with pretty much everything, especially the last statement.:cool:

Thank you all for the small discussion, especially Cruncher Pete for your "semi-team / semi-outsider" viewpoint. Very fitting; whilst my name is in red on these forums, I am hesitant to push too hard toward any one particular goal, lest I be accused of being the last straw that broke the camel's back. That is why I gave up "leadership" of the BlackOps division at the same time. It is an interesting thing, being an Admin on the forum, because you are only a "quasi-leader", and not in truth, the leader of the team. It is very apparent this team has no "rightful leader" at the moment, and we do need to put our heads together on how best to fix that. Possibly a charter similar to what TeaM has ratified or similar type agreement may be in order. Let us all ponder that a bit.

Well, as Joker said, and he is right, I had forgotten this was a public forum. My apologies for that, I will not hijack this thread any longer, and let us resume discussion at a later point and in the private Team Forum.

Out of curiosity....

Anyone interested in doing a new and updated version of this thread for 2013?

Yhea, 2013 is the year of the Eagle a new thread of MM would be very welcome.:D

Do it please F$.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0Nmhei7Z2A...40/beg-dog.jpg

Errrr hmmmmmmm, I was hoping that someone else would take the lead on this one.

DO IT
http://www.exceptionalsales.com/blog.../do-it-now.jpg

Why bother? Until BOK fixes the MM stats and puts our team back on the board (in first place at many levels, just like we should be) I don't see the point. :)

Actually, if someone would mention it to BOK, I'm sure he'd be on it in a jiffy. :)

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Most Milestones
Type Many RankP
Team 1B's 11 1
Team 500M's 12 1
Team 1M's 100 1
TClanks 67 4
Team #1's 27 1
Team top 10's 120 1

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Tongue firmly in cheek, and I only noticed it myself just last night, so I was hoping it was just a temporary hiccup on the extraction. But it persists...

I sent him a message.

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Originally Posted by Mumps

Why bother? Until BOK fixes the MM stats and puts our team back on the board (in first place at many levels, just like we should be) I don't see the point. :)

Actually, if someone would mention it to BOK, I'm sure he'd be on it in a jiffy. :)



Tongue firmly in cheek, and I only noticed it myself just last night, so I was hoping it was just a temporary hiccup on the extraction. But it persists...

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I sent him a message.

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Mumps, we should do our part of the work and thanks zombie. Now I can get back to the laziness.

Lazy Duke

http://graemethomasonline.com/wp-con...10/03/lazy.gif

So, seeing as this isn't an Individual MM, I guess this is about the best place to drop it...

Congrats! We just hit "First team to 100 Mil" on dDM today!

Time to go look for the next one to put pressure on. :)

First team to 1 Mil, and 10 Mil, on NanoSurf@home. Should we make first team to 100 Mil a goal as well? I'll keep running it for my own goals too, but not aggressively until I've made it to first User to 100 Mil on dDM... How many folks do we have that will make a 1 Mil or higher MM their personal goals here?

I will, I have 500k to add and I'll start that in about a week.

nanosurf is the only website I've been to that requires an exclusion on Malwarebytes.