ok guys if you have a 6k budget what would be the makings of a component built super cruncher...the widler the better!
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ok guys if you have a 6k budget what would be the makings of a component built super cruncher...the widler the better!
im thinking of a serverboard basr and 64 of memory lots of xeon and some multiple gpu
EDIT (since I'm an idiot and posted to the wrong thread):
MOBO: $800
CPU: $769 x 4
RAM: $51 x 16
GPU: $700 x 1
PSU: $400 x 1
That hits $5800 - you'll need a case, HDD, OS, etc., but that will get you close. This will NOT maximize credits, but it will crunch the hell out of some CPU projects and throw up some decent GPU credits. I'm a MMer, so that's my ideal rig o' the moment...
i could swear i've seen this exact thing posted somewhere else...Deja vu!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxwell
Hush - I'm dumb... I edited my post to what I meant it to say. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by John P. Myers
Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188059
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115212
GPU X 4 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814187127
1500 watt PS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256054
so thats around 4100 currently.. without a case or hd or drives or monitor etc etc..
id probably throw in3 SSD Drives in raid 5, and those run couple hundred bucks each.. then a monster tower.. etc etc
easily hit the 6k point and then some.
I second this!:-bdQuote:
Originally Posted by Maxwell
My base configuration of this system will be operational by Monday morning. :cool:
i like where you are goin wtih this but i could cut some fat...3 SSHDS? i could do alot with the money making two units up and leaning on GPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorsilfin
http://www.appro.com/product/hyperpo...l_overview.asp
bwahahahahaaaa!
i wish.
precisely! my 2 cents id find a gpu that will be usable for the longest time(meaning hopefully it wont be insignificant in 3 yrs) buy as many as you can in as many box's as you need middle road mb drives dont matter any junk laying around. nice efficient reliable powersupplies. throw in a 50$ cpu or even a badass one its your build just have fun and btw id think you'd be our next major player if you pull this off! just do it man!!! a new gpu will do 750k alone per day or so i believe so imagine 4 or 6!!!! plenty of intelligent computer freaks here to guide you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jeeprnovru
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Originally Posted by GregK [SETI.USA]
bingo...i want a stripped down racer not a luxury sled...(if you think in terms or racing like i do) I WANNA GO FAST! LOL
i want to build to run at the top...all this extra beef and trinketry can be avoided. i dint need LED lights and chrome usb ports. i need speed in a box! im with ya all the way greg k.
Not sure I could spend 6k on a system how about 2 3k systems or 3 2k systems?
If your going to go this route, you should come up with a good signature to take advantage of the.......Quote:
Originally Posted by jeeprnovru
Special discount for Universities
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video cards perform within 20% with less then 1/2 the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazybob
well take a few weeks if nesscessary to figure it best. you'll find plenty of help here to make sure you get the best bang for the dollar. i will definately be following this build thread!
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Originally Posted by Crazybob
i wonder if this is feasible...no really! Obama seems to love handing out our cash...how for our "systems for the betterment of analytical achivement" or something simmilarly fund worthy sounding. lol
I am interested in this as well and will do my best to respond to any hardware questions that he may have.Quote:
Originally Posted by GregK [SETI.USA]
Now, on this subject of the ideal $6000 build.
If you are building just one machine let's look at the power consumption of the rig:
160 watts for 2 x AMD Opteron 12 core processors
400+ watts for the dual video cards
How are you planning on cooling the room that this machine resides in?
I say put a window air conditioner in your budget. :cool:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_aCc0qeH6j8s/TF...onditioner.jpg
actually that topic came up in conversation today and the case will be sitting under i window unit in the room its gonna be in...i want to get some dryer hose and rig it up to gulp some AC and plumb it into the case...yehaw! its a frigirare BTW
Not only the cooling, but also the power to run it. Special wiring would probably be needed for these 4xGPU systems. And then if you add 4 CPUs and butt-loads of RAM (need at least 2gb per thread). You could probably get more bang for the buck by doing a couple of dual cpu, dual gpu machines. And that way you can put them on separate circuits, and in different rooms.
FIRST PART OFFICIALY ORDERED:
The Thermaltake TP-1350M Toughpower Power Supply
that will work good especially on those days you "crank it up" to the max!:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by jeeprnovru
jees i didnt even consider dual gpu cards. those are a monster in itself.
will u be using a full tower? cappy has some nice box's with several huge fans. cant remember what box it was though. i think they have 2 6 inch fans on the side which would be great for cooling.
i went and bought a big expensive tower only to find it cools 20 degrees better with the side off. pissed me off! (thermaltake kandolf 9000s supertower blk) cooling/airflow will be an important issue here. dont depend on a/c that should be just a benefit in my book.
It's not modular....ewwwww....Quote:
Originally Posted by jeeprnovru
But still a good PSU. Same brand i use...except modular
i want liquid cooled but id have a nervous breakdown thinking about leaks....i like the looks of the mineral oil cooled stuff....WWW.EXTREMEOVERCLOCKING.COM is a pretty cool forum for builders.
ASUS GeForce GTX 580 DirectCU II specifications:
GF110 GPU
8 phase power supply for GPU
2 phase power supply for memory (1 draws from 8-pin and one from PCIe slot)
More efficient power supply with more power per phase
Highly efficient NEC power capacitor behind GPU
Dual 8-pin power connectors
DirectCU 2 cooler with 5 copper direct-contact heatpipes
Dual 100x20mm fans for low noise
Requires 3 expansion slots
The best bang for the buck is with GPUs. Hands down. Get yourself a good x6 core AMD or x4 core i7 CPU + a mobo with 2 or 3 PCI-e slots that both run at 16x speed. That won't break the bank - easily done for $350 to $400. That's all you need. The exotic stuff is just going to waste your money if you're after credits - let's all be honest.
Throw your $$$ at the PSU (which you just did! :D), and GPUs. Get 2x the dual cards - either (2) NVIDIA 590 or (2) AMD 6990 GPU cards, so you effectively have 4 GPUs. You will easily have a rig that crunches well over 1Mil per day... on 1/2 your budget.
If you really want to spend $6K to help out the team ... BUILD 2 OF THESE MONSTERS! :D
EDIT: if you want to get a modular PSU, it might be worth it - you could cancel your order for that one, return it, and/or you can find them around 1000W for a little over $120(+) - $150 at NewEgg sometimes...when they're having a good special.
Thank you for the help, by the way!:cool:
i appreciateall the advice guys! keep it coming
speaking of ati or nvidia which project are you planning to focus on? nice psu!
After lots of thought and consideration, i present to you the single most badass build of any number cruncher in the world. Ever. (for $6k) :D
First and most importantly, return that pissant PSU and get this one instead. $400
Then I recommend this motherboard. $530
Then put this processor in it. $595 (cheapest 6 core)
With this SSD. $190
With a pair of these. $1730
And 1 of these. $700
And this for the last slot. $740
Add for your RAM. $290 or....
If you don't mind going $85 over budget, i strongly suggest you get this RAM instead. 8-8-8-24 vs. 6-8-6-20 mmmm sexy! $390
This liquid cooling kit. $260 (+additional hoses, clamps, barbs = $290) Use the radiator in this kit for your CPU only.
For a radiator to take care of the GPUs, get a transmision oil cooler. Only $40.
HAF-X case + extra fans = $220
23" Samsung monitor: $230
Some random CD/DVD drive = $30
TOTAL COST: $5,985 ($6,085 with the better, faster RAM)
With this beast, you'll be winning
I would advise taking a couple steps further if max credits is the goal - find a mobo with 3 PCIe slots triple spaced - put the cheapest CPU and RAM in there and don't crunch on the CPU. Only use them to feed the GPU. Pick up a crapton of GPUs in the "sweetspot" o' money. A 6950 is ~$230 right now three in a box (caseless if you're adventurous) and you can probably do 1M/day on ~$1000. Multiply that by six. Then get DrPop to pay the power bill... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPop
Well played, JPM. Well played...Quote:
Originally Posted by John P. Myers
oh i've got more notes and options for that build. need awhile to finish tinkering with some other stuff then i'll post it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxwell
Ok. A couple things to point out. With that motherboard, put the 2 GTX590's in the first 2 PCIe x16 slots, put the GTX580 in the 3rd and the HD6990 in the 4th.Quote:
Originally Posted by John P. Myers
Since the 6990 has the fan in the center, it needs to be in the last slot to breathe properly. The HAF X case will have no problem feeding it plenty of air.
Since the GTX580 is a single slot card, putting it in the 3rd x16 slot leaves the PCI slot open for a 9500GT! :D Beautiful. You could then set tht as your main video output to not interrupt the crunching of the other GPUs.
The board also has a built-in Bigfoot Killer 2100 NPU. Just might help bandwidth out when you're doing things other than simply crunching.
And we've also got a built-in Sound Blaster X-Fi DAP. Even the headset amp is built in. One less thing for your CPU to do means more crunching.
Speaking of the CPU, yeah it may be the cheapest Intel 6 core, but with this board and it's 16 phase PWM, you can overclock the crap out of it. Remember i hooked you up with that Swiftech water cooling system (exact same one i use) so temps won't be anything to worry about. Many people report stable speeds of 4.4GHz with this chip.
Your RAM kit comes with a cooling fan. Problem solved.
Also, since this CPU does lolHyper Threading, i'd change BOINC setting to only use 6 (maybe 8) of the 12 threads possible with this chip. The remaining 6 (or 4) threads can feed your GPUs and perform other tasks you might be doing on your computer, such as watching porn :p
Also, the reason i suggested only 2 GTX 590's instead of 3 or all 4 is because even though the PSU i suggested is badass, it couldn't safely handle that big of load. Plus this way, you've got an HD6990 to throw on DNETC.
Overall, i went Nvidia-heavy because PG is really hot right now, and because there are more projects than can be tackled vs. AMD.
Build this rig, overclock it right, and i guarantee you a minimum of 5,000,000 credits per day.
This might be a problem - I've heard a lot of people have problems mixing cards unless they set the ATI card as the primary output...Quote:
Originally Posted by John P. Myers
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Originally Posted by John P. Myers
Help out when im doing things other than crunching??? wha? who does other stuff?............................................ .................................................. .......................................Shhhhhhhhhh h!!!! if it finds out it can do other stuff we will be screwed!
im an ATI guy, also, no changing that! and i have a lap top i use for all meh porn, so we can focus on workin the shit outa this rig!
Is that a "Put your money where you mouth is" kinda guarantee? Will you reimburse him his 6K if it fails to perform? :):):)Quote:
Originally Posted by John P. Myers
Alright everyone... not trying to show off here but earlier in this thread the AMD G34 motherboard was mentioned as an ideal system for a $6,000 computer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumps
Well, here is the proof! I have already collected over 1,000 Credits at Androinc in the past 1:45 minutes with just a single AMD Opteron 6128 processor! In fact, I only have four memory sticks in this system so the peak bandwidth potential has not even been reached.
http://androinc.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6555
What could this system (cost less than $800 to build) do with a $500 NVIDIA x16 video card?
Finally, don't forget, around September 2011, we will see 16 core Opteron G34 chips hit the market and the ASUS KGPE-D16 will support them.
All this hardware talk is making me drool.:) Feel as if I showed up at a gunfight with a switchblade. A real bad case of hardware envy.@-)
I just think you'd get the best bang for the buck if you used the money for (2) dual GPU cards per machine...and built 2 of them. If you really want to push it, try three of them in a rig! :D I know this can work with Linux, I'm not sure about Windows - I keep getting conflicting reports on that (running 3 dual GPU cards for 6 total GPUs).
Honestly, for max credits all you need is a (mid grade) CPU that can push the GPUs enough - like I said, an X6 AMD 100T for $199 or an i7 (around a 920 or so) for a little more.
A good mobo with 3 PCI-e slots and lots of bandwidth is only like $150ish...
Don't spend more than $60 on the HDD, 4GB RAM for about the same...could be really inexpensive except for the high end PSU and the GPUs.
And even then, you can get a solid 1KW PSU on Newegg in the $100 - $150 range easy.
I'm all for the crazy stuff - but I just hate to see a guy spend tons of $ when he doesn't have to...
Well...speaking from personal experience, i have an HD 5870, a GTX 460 and a 9500GT. The 9500GT doesn't crunch because BOINC won't use it by default since it's the weakest card and i have it set as my main video output, so i know it's possible :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxwell
Yep! As long as i also get the system. Then i'll make it do 6mil/day out of spite and start a "Told you so!" thread :DQuote:
Is that a "Put your money where you mouth is" kinda guarantee? Will you reimburse him his 6K if it fails to perform?
The reason for putting a 6 core i7 in there as opposes to something cheaper is because 95% of projects still only use the CPU and all the GPUs in the world are worthless there. We have many competitions with are CPU only, and i'm sure he'd like to at least make a decent showing there. To do that AND feed 4 GPUs (3 of which are dual GPUs) also requires a fair chunk of CPU power. He's covered in all directions.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPop
I have 8GB RAM in my machine with on;y 4 cores and right now i'm using about 5GB of it. Day before yesterday i was just under 7GB. 4 is just not enough to have any freedom, especially not with 6 cores.