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The Project - A Sequel
Like Johnny 5 I need input.
I sent out a couple of PMs earlier and could still use more help. So here goes....
Code Name: Project-002
Hardware
MB: GigaByte GA-P55-UD6 - Courtesy of Beerdrinker ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^
CPU: ??? ($$$)
RAM: Corsair TR3X6G1600C9 - 6GB or Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 6GB
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 500GB
GPU: ??? ($$$)
Csae: Custom (by yours truly). Either an open case made from 1/4" copper tubing or a full tower from one of the local pre-owned resellers which I will mod like crazy.
I will be looking for used items as long the price is substantially lower.
Core i3 vs. Core i5.
For crunching which series gives the best bang/$?
I've been informed that there is no clear cut distinction between the two and what I've read so far hasn't shed a whole lot of light on the matter. Also note that the quad cores are way outside my budget so I will not consider any of those for this system.
I have in my searches found a new i5-655K (unlocked multiplier) for around $110 w/o HS. Is it worth the money?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
BTW: Because of this new build I will eventually (Not today) have to give up one or two of the "Team Systems" currently in my possession. I will post it in the "Giveaway" thread when this project nears completion.
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BTW: Because of this new build I will eventually (Not today) have to give up one or two of the "Team Systems" currently in my possession. I will post it in the "Giveaway" thread when this project nears completion.
NOT SEVEN!! :-o:-o:-o ;)
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Fire$torm
BTW: Because of this new build I will eventually (Not today) have to give up one or two of the "Team Systems" currently in my possession. I will post it in the "Giveaway" thread when this project nears completion.
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joker
NOT SEVEN!! :-o:-o:-o ;)
Errr, hmmmm.... HELL NO!
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Fire$torm
Errr, hmmmm.... HELL NO!
Whew!!! Thought you were breaking up with her already. The honeymoon is over!!! Crunch or be replaced. :rolleyes:
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I would go HERE and on the right under CPU Product Benchmarks, put the lower end one you're looking at on the top, and the higher end one you're looking at on the bottom, and click View Comparison.
Note the MULTI-threaded benchmarks toward the middle and bottom of the list, as that is where the difference will be with BOINC. There may not be much difference in single-threaded apps, but running Multi-threaded apps like BOINC, (look at the R10 Multi-threaded benchmark for instance), there will be a very large difference.
So, my vote would be on the i5, but that's just because. Obviously, you can only do what you can do...which is what I'm finding out due to R.L. ;)
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The problem with most benchmark charts like that is they don't take overclocking into account. Not an issue if you don't plan to overclock of course, but if you're budget shopping then overclocking should be something you're at least considering.
PS: There are very few multi-threaded apps in BOINC. AQUA is the only one I know of off the top of my head, but I think one other project was playing with them as well?
Multi-threaded benchmarks are an easier way of gauging the "total" capability of a processor though, so still useful for getting an idea of how two would compare when running BOINC apps. Like "is the fast 2 core better than the slow 4 core."
It's just that BOINC is typically just running multiple instances of a single threaded app, not running an actual multi-threaded app. Though, really when you get down to it, all of them are multi-threaded but the vast majority are single process but that's a whole different rabbit hole.
Anywho, point being, most of the apps are going to limit themselves to a single core (logical or physical), so per-core performance matters. But, since it's unlikely that a) you'll be shopping two procs so far apart in capabilities that fewer faster cores will be able to compete with more slower cores in terms of BOINC, and b) running apps that are 100% efficient, more cores still wins the day (even if they're "fake" like with hyper-threading).
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I would say: Go with whatever CPU you can afford. Thatīs how I do it. Itīs better with a working computer, instead of getting all worked up over a CPU one gotta save for...
I am really looking forward to your build!
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Update:
After doing some thinking and clearing out the grey matter smoke I came to the conclusion that I did not want to spend time and energy modding a case. In the end it will cost the same as a half decent new case. Started looking for cheap cases and discovered these two Thermaltake cases.
Thermaltake V4 Black Edition VM30001W2Z
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Produc...Z/FrontTop.jpg
Thermaltake V3 Black Edition VL80001W2Z.
http://thermaltakeusa.com/Upload/Pro...G_8005.jpg.jpg
The V4 I can get at Micro Center for $39.99 before rebate or for the same price I can get the V3 from NewEgg with promo code EMCKFHB37 and free shipping before rebate. I'm leaning towards the V3 since I won't be doing water cooling.
I will have some additional stuff ready to go on eBay soon. So I should have more cash when that's all said and done.
I will hold of on a HDD since I have a usable PATA drive that Maxwell sent me awhile back. I might try using a USB setup with Dotsch/UX and avoid the HDD altogether.
I had a line on a Sapphire 4850 x2 but that is up in the air at the moment.
This thing we do is never as easy as it should/could be......
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Yeah, I've been giving your latest build some thought as well.
I came to the conclusion that you might be best off getting the cheapest used CPU you can for that socket - whatever it is, even a small dual core one. The reason I'm saying this, is that a LOT of enthusiasts will adopt the 2nd gen i7 "sandy bridge" CPUs over the next 6 months, and you will probably be able to pick up a SWEET deal on a very high -end i7 CPU at that time on Ebay. ;)
So, spending very little on a CPU now, will enable you to get a BIG GPU on line for the credits, and then we can all help pitch in a little for BIG i7 CPU later down the road when they get "cheap" on the used market. :D
If you're looking at those cases - please take a look at the Cooler Master Elite 430 as well. I looked at all those for my Bro when we built up his rig recently. He could not fit a big case where he's putting the rig, but wanted room for 2 big GPUs in it. This one fits the bill nicely, because the way it's laid out inside is accommodating for the full length dual GPUs - even a 5970 will fit in there, and the case is not that big!
We got his for $39 at Fry's. Just a thought.
EDIT - I should make myself more clear. What I mean is, take a look at the side shots on the Thermaltake cases, down in the bottom right inside, where you put the HDDs. Notice how that area is straight in line with the back of the upper bays, where you put the DVD ROM. Now, take a look at the side view of the Cooler Master Elite 430. Notice how the bottom right bracket area for the HDDs cuts in, toward the front of the case, and doesn't stick out as far. This allows additional room for the GPUs. That was the deciding factor for us, after looking at all the cases in this size / price range, because you can literally throw any GPU at that case and it will fit. Also, the 120MM fan slot in the side is spot on, right over the GPUs (I think both brands do this well, though.)
Not saying the TT cases aren't any good - they make good stuff. Just thinking in terms of long-term flexibility for GPU crunching.
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JerWA
Thx for the suggestions.
I was looking at the baby HAF because I really like it. Just cannot justify the price. Still need to buy CPU, PSU and RAM. So I to skimp where I can.
The Rosewill Blackstone is oooogly..... The Destroyer is nice, The TT Armor looks cool though the Baby HAF beats it in style. Still they all are more than budget allows. That might change if the 4850 x2 falls through. The problem there is I'm not sure how long it will take to get my money back..... :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Just to put my 2c. You can always upgrade your CPU later for crunching the cheapish one will do. You wont win at PrimeB but you can certainly use that money for other parts. I will say that a fast duel would be better for every day things but if you want a chance at the big AQUA credits 4 core's will be required.
I also have a hard time with expensive cases, the 2 you show look pretty descent, but you want the biggest space for the dollar. You will have a hard time with any new video cards in a small case, its possible but you will be running warmer.
I did some Excel work and the 80% PSU's are worth it for 100 bucks :) look into the 1000w that DrPop is running if you don't have one.
Good ram is important if your going to be doing any over clocking. It took me a long time not to skimp on the ram but it made so many less errors in the long run. How many times have you seen ram stability issues?
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I used to do cheap cases too. The HAF 922 I'm using now is the most expensive I've used on a system by a healthy margin. Unfortunately, I'm never going back lol. It's so nice having room, and places to hide cables, and not getting cut every time I put my hand in the case.
Maingear started making a 180mm self contained water cooler. I don't think there's any way to buy one by itself yet (or maybe ever). But if they do go on sale, my 2600k system is totally going in a Silverstone Fortress and I'm gonna put the 180mm water cooler on the inside fan. Should be sweet.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...se-review.html
http://www.maingear.com/epic/index.php
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Update:
First: With some help from DrPop last Saturday ^:)^ to fill the shortfall in my checking account (Thanks to that screwball on eBay), this is now on its way to my house.
Cooler Master HAF 912
http://static.scan.co.uk/Images/Products/1318569-a.jpg
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know I said I couldn't justify buying it but with the help from DP and the rebate being offered for it, well I just HAD to get it :P
Second: Do to a unforeseen circumstance, DrPop's brother had his 4870 go toes up on him while flashing its BIOS. Being unable to revive the card, he has decided, thanks to DP, to send it to me. If I can successfully play Dr. Frankenstein then that card will become part of the new build. So thank you DrPop and DrPop's Brother.
Third: Today while checking my eBay auctions, I discovered that Mr. Screwball had decided this morning to refund my money for the 4850 x2 he never sent. He also never sent any replies to my emails nor an apology after issuing the refund. (The words I want use here would get me permanently band from this forum).
So with that and a touch of finagling (ex. Hiya Sis....) I had enough for.....
Antec Neo Eco 620C
http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/...031-TS?$S300W$
Deciding factors, its an Antec, it had a rebate offer and its an Antec. Hopefully if it can handle the extra load I will transfer one of my 4850s to the new build. My room has been getting mighty warm lately and its only the 2nd of May! :(
So now the list looks like this:
MB: GigaByte GA-P55-UD6 (In Transit from Beerdrinker)
CPU: ???
PSU: Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W (Ordered)
RAM: CORSAIR XMS 4GB (2 x 2GB) CMX4GX3M2A1333C8 (Need to Acquire)
HDD: Maxtor DiamondMax D540X 40GB (From Maxwell)
GPU: ATI HD 4870 (From DrPop's Brother) / ATI HD 4850 (Transferring from Desktop, Maybe)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 (In Transit)
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Update from my part:
You can now write board in transit also. Went to the postoffice this afternoon. Postage were around 33$ which I am happy to donate for the good of the team!! :cool:
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Originally Posted by
Beerdrinker
Update from my part:
You can now write board in transit also. Went to the postoffice this afternoon. Postage were around 33$ which I am happy to donate for the good of the team!! :cool:
^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^
Thank you Beer. I am shocked that shipping would cost that much for a MB. That is just insane.
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Originally Posted by
Fire$torm
... shipping would cost that much...That is just insane.
As we discovered when trying to figure out how to get you my full HAF, LOL! ;)
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Originally Posted by
Beerdrinker
Update from my part:
You can now write board in transit also. Went to the postoffice this afternoon. Postage were around 33$ which I am happy to donate for the good of the team!! :cool:
It was about half that when I sent you the 2 boards but remember where Beer is sending it from. :p Long distance for sure. Great job putting this all together.
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Mike029
It was about half that when I sent you the 2 boards but remember where Beer is sending it from. :p Long distance for sure. Great job putting this all together.
Oh I understand the distance thing but it just seems like Corporate Piracy to me. Well, who am i kidding? IT IS PIRACY. :ar! :(
As to Project-002, that is sooo true, everyone that is helping deserves a huge round of applause. You guys are simply AMAZING!!! ^:)^
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Originally Posted by
Dandasarge
I did some Excel work and the 80% PSU's are worth it for 100 bucks :) look into the 1000w that DrPop is running if you don't have one.
Good ram is important if your going to be doing any over clocking. It took me a long time not to skimp on the ram but it made so many less errors in the long run. How many times have you seen ram stability issues?
Sorry. Somehow I missed this post. Oooops :P
For the PSU there is a plan. As I posted before I'm getting the Antec 620C for now. At some point in the future it will be replaced with a 750-850 unit. Then the antec will replace the POS Tuniq in my server/cruncher. And finally I might use the Tuniq in Seven-Of-Nine. I cannot bring myself to give the Tuniq away because I do not wish to push this POS on someone else.
Now onto the memory. The few times I have OC RAM I have never had a problem because I have always installed Corsair XMS RAM in all my main system builds. Me thinks Corsair RAM rocks!!!
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Update:
The gift from Denmark has arrived!!!!!!!!! So THANK YOU BEERDRINKER :D
For the CPU I think I will go Quad-Core. On eBay, the difference in average price between i5 Duals and Quads is less then double and I've seen some i5-750 go for less than $140. I may have to cut way back on cigs to get it but it would be worth it.
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Just don't short yourself on the beer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by
joker
Just don't short yourself on the beer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beeeeeeeeeer.
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Originally Posted by
Fire$torm
Update:
The gift from Denmark has arrived!!!!!!!!! So THANK YOU BEERDRINKER :D
For the CPU I think I will go Quad-Core. On eBay, the difference in average price between i5 Duals and Quads is less then double and I've seen some i5-750 go for less than $140. I may have to cut way back on cigs to get it but it would be worth it.
Once again. I am happy to donate that board to a good home. Hope it works out for you, because I have never had it plugged in..
Looking forward to further progress!
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Update:
Like I told joker, Its Christmas in May!!! His 5830 arrived today! The pic doesn't do the Zalman cooler justice. The red anodizing is much more vibrant in reality.
The second pic is the HAF-912 with the Gigabyte board from Beerdrinker. You cannot see it in the pic but I have relocated the front 120mm fan to the top back corner of the case. I will be adding 2x XIGMATEK XSF-F1252 120mm fans to the front and might add a XIGMATEK XLF-F1454 140mm fan to the front drive bay.
(Click to enlarge)
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8...0verysmall.jpg
(Click to enlarge)
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/841...2verysmall.jpg
So the plan for the GPUs will be to install the 5830 in my i7 desktop with one of my 8800GTs from my Phenom box. My desktop's original 4850 then takes over the slot vacated by the 8800. The two remaining 4850s from my desktop go into the new build.
Last bit for this post. It looks like I may have a Core i5 750 in about a week. :D
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I sent that to you??? Dang it! I thought I sent that to Kat. ;):p:))
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Holly Cow its coming together! No one (not that they would have) told me that 5830 had a Zalmen cooler on it. Dose it work well?
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Holly Cow its coming together! No one (not that they would have) told me that 5830 had a Zalmen cooler on it. Dose it work well?
It keeps the temps down. I have never pushed it as far as OCing. We shall see that F$ does with it. ;)
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joker
It keeps the temps down. I have never pushed it as far as OCing. We shall see that F$ does with it. ;)
They look like they take 2 slots, do they?
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Dandasarge
They look like they take 2 slots, do they?
More like 2.25 slots......
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More like 2.25 slots......
I always like to hear about how big "it" is! :D
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Joker i'm sure you take up about 2.25 expansion slots
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OK, this pic is for DrPop. I wonder if he will recognize its significance.....
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http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1...trioasmall.jpg
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joker
I always like to hear about how big "it" is! :D
Then 2.25 is not the number you want to hear...
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joker
I always like to hear about how big "it" is! :D
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Maxwell
Then 2.25 is not the number you want to hear...
THAT depends entirely on the unit of measurement in question..........
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Fire$torm
THAT depends entirely on the unit of measurement in question..........
It was defined as slots :)
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Dandasarge
It was defined as slots :)
I'm not sure I want to stick something in that quarter slot...
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Just tell me im BIG darn it!!!
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joker
Just tell me im BIG darn it!!!
Last night's South Park: http://www.southparkstudios.com/full...des/s15e04-tmi
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Fire$torm
Indeed! Brotha...you did some engineering with that piece! Good on you...and good for the team. Glad it could be used for something, LOL! ;)
