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08-30-11, 09:09 AM
Fire$torm

More Dirt issues.

If you haven't noticed credits for Dirt are not showing up in the stats.

Looks like they are having server problems

Project server status page
distrrtgen_validator1 -- iris -- Disabled
distrrtgen_validator2 -- iris -- Disabled
distrrtgen_validator3 -- iris -- Disabled
distrrtgen_validator4 -- iris -- Disabled
distrrtgen_validator5 -- iris -- Disabled
distrrtgen_validator6 -- iris -- Disabled
distrrtgen_validator7 -- iris -- Disabled
distrrtgen_validator8 -- iris -- Disabled
distrrtgen_work_generator1 -- iris -- Not Running
distrrtgen_work_generator_hybrid -- iris -- Running
distrrtgen_work_generator2 -- iris -- Disabled
distrrtgen_work_generator4 -- iris -- Disabled
08-30-11, 09:49 AM
Mike029

Re: More Dirt issues.

I'm going to suspend what I have left and run something else till they finish with the 280 wu's I have pending. I'm worried that they have a major hardware failure and we lose all our eggs in this one basket. :eek:
08-30-11, 10:38 AM
zombie67

Re: More Dirt issues.

The server status page is not accurately reflecting the server's actual status. No major HW problems. In fact, they just upgraded, and will be doing more upgrades in the near future. And longer running WUs will reduce the server load even further.

https://www.freerainbowtables.com/ph...64.html#p18264

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We moved to 1 validator, 1 assimilator, and 1 transitioner. bin/status shows them running but the server_status page does not, for reasons not yet known. This move was mostly so we did not crash and burn handling backoffs expiring for clients as well as handling the immediate inrush. Our inbound bandwidth is still climbing likely on the 300k length chains coming back as the 400k length chains should be 50% slower - unless more bandwidth constrained clients are now turning in more work. I'm hoping to see some leveling off at some point and can return daemons as needed.
08-30-11, 02:49 PM
Al

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Seeing the same thing. I currently have almost 700 wu's pending. Should really throw off the stats bell curve when they finally validate.
08-30-11, 04:03 PM
Fire$torm

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Originally Posted by Al McAdams

Seeing the same thing. I currently have almost 700 wu's pending. Should really throw off the stats bell curve when they finally validate.

I just counted (3:51 EDT) and I have 361 wu's waiting for validation.
08-30-11, 04:14 PM
Beerdrinker

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by Fire$torm

I just counted (3:51 EDT) and I have 361 wu's waiting for validation.

We are gonna skyrocket once they validate...I could be great if they could put us over the french...! ;)
08-30-11, 05:22 PM
Mr. Hankey

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Yea, I got 620 waiting to validate for me so far.
08-30-11, 08:29 PM
Mumps

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Originally Posted by Beerdrinker

We are gonna skyrocket once they validate...I could be great if they could put us over the french...! ;)

Hah! Then they'll accuse us of bunkering again! :)
08-30-11, 08:34 PM
zombie67

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1100 pending for me so far. Do I win? When it finally breaks loose, it will be a magnificent score day. ;)
08-30-11, 11:11 PM
valyn42

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I think you win Z, and I agree with that. 1080 pending for me.:D
08-31-11, 07:30 AM
Fogle

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OH OH! the latest task that just validated gave me only 184 credits. Hopefully it's just a fluke, all my WU's are for CPU only. Anybody else seeing this? :(
08-31-11, 08:56 AM
Fire$torm

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by Fogle

OH OH! the latest task that just validated gave me only 184 credits. Hopefully it's just a fluke, all my WU's are for CPU only. Anybody else seeing this? :(

Nope. My last set of CPU wu's received 600 credits each.
08-31-11, 01:20 PM
spingadus

Re: More Dirt issues.

Looks like a bug.

https://www.freerainbowtables.com/ph...79.html#p18279
08-31-11, 02:05 PM
Beerdrinker

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Well, I got granted about 100.000 Credits today. All WU´s OK. 600@piece for the CPU and 3K for GPU tasks.
08-31-11, 02:14 PM
spingadus

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I counted about 20 instances of the low credit bug on my account over the last week. That's about 60k credits. Hope it really is fixed.
08-31-11, 02:53 PM
Fire$torm

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Originally Posted by spingadus

I counted about 20 instances of the low credit bug on my account over the last week. That's about 60k credits. Hope it really is fixed.

They say that it cannot be fixed but I know that other projects (Like PG & MW) have done this. It is a manual operation, which seems to equal "Not gonna happen".
09-01-11, 08:40 AM
Mike029

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I got 1.56 credits for this wu. Going to have to keep an eye on this. Any more like that and I may have to move on till they fix the problem. Only happened once and with a cpu wu.

Name 6291721 ntlm_hybrid2(alpha#1-1,loweralpha#5-5,loweralpha-numeric#2-2,numeric#1-3)#0-0_0_60000x500000 - 59559500000_1
Workunit 9378273
Created 29 Aug 2011 23:43:40 UTC
Sent 30 Aug 2011 0:24:22 UTC
Received 30 Aug 2011 13:50:56 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Success
Client state Done
Exit status 0 (0x0)
Computer ID 21886
Report deadline 31 Aug 2011 0:24:22 UTC
Run time 4,427.51
CPU time 4,092.81
Validate state Valid
Credit 1.56
Application version Distributed Rainbow Table Generator (distrrtgen) v3.36
Stderr output

<core_client_version>6.12.33</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
09:43:41 (3984): called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>
09-01-11, 08:49 AM
Mike029

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I'm now up to 550 wu pending. I think it's a big number considering that I only have one Cuda card. Over 90% are gpu wu's. Going to be a nice bump if they ever validate. :eek: Some people have to be well over 1k in pending by now.:-o
09-01-11, 10:52 AM
zombie67

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I have over 2200 pending. No big deal. It will all be awarded eventually.

As for the few tasks with small credits, there was a bug in the validator, and has been fixed.
09-01-11, 11:42 AM
DrPop

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The weird thing is, I've been crunching it on 10 CPU cores, + a GTX 460, and I haven't been awarded any credit for days; but...I don't see that I have any pending either? That's kind of odd... :-??
09-01-11, 02:08 PM
spingadus

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by DrPop

The weird thing is, I've been crunching it on 10 CPU cores, + a GTX 460, and I haven't been awarded any credit for days; but...I don't see that I have any pending either? That's kind of odd... :-??

The pending credit 'view' link off the main account page doesn't show anything. You have to go into the tasks 'view' link and click pending.
09-01-11, 02:56 PM
DrPop

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Ah, thanks for that! :D
09-01-11, 04:09 PM
DrPop

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I just noticed my CUDA GPU sitting idle. Looks like DiRT has plenty of CPU WUs for me, but their GPU WUs have stopped coming in. I'd recommend everyone allow PG to get some new work on their CUDA rigs if you haven't beat me to it already. ;)
09-01-11, 04:57 PM
Mike029

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by DrPop

I just noticed my CUDA GPU sitting idle. Looks like DiRT has plenty of CPU WUs for me, but their GPU WUs have stopped coming in. I'd recommend everyone allow PG to get some new work on their CUDA rigs if you haven't beat me to it already. ;)

Thanks for the warning.
09-01-11, 07:17 PM
Cruncher Pete

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by spingadus

The pending credit 'view' link off the main account page doesn't show anything. You have to go into the tasks 'view' link and click pending.

Unfortunately, this like a lot of other sites do not show you how much credit is in pending. You need to actually access you Account and view your computers on it. In my case, I have over 800 units sitting in "Awaiting Validation" and have not been given a credit for over three days. Hope it will resolve soon and in particular we will not waste our efforts. Still, I am not that trustworthy after all, and have issued a NNW on all my Dirt projects.
09-01-11, 08:07 PM
zombie67

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Originally Posted by Cruncher Pete

Unfortunately, this like a lot of other sites do not show you how much credit is in pending.

You can thank DA for that.

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Originally Posted by Cruncher Pete

You need to actually access you Account and view your computers on it. In my case, I have over 800 units sitting in "Awaiting Validation" and have not been given a credit for over three days. Hope it will resolve soon and in particular we will not waste our efforts. Still, I am not that trustworthy after all, and have issued a NNW on all my Dirt projects.

I am curious why you and some others here feel so concerned about this. Has this project ever stolen credits from you? Has it happened at another project, that causes you to think it will happen here? Why so worried?

For my personal experience, I have crunched just about every project ever, and find it hard to come up with an example of much significance.
09-01-11, 09:53 PM
Cruncher Pete

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by zombie67

You can thank DA for that.

I am curious why you and some others here feel so concerned about this. Has this project ever stolen credits from you? Has it happened at another project, that causes you to think it will happen here? Why so worried?

For my personal experience, I have crunched just about every project ever, and find it hard to come up with an example of much significance.

@zombie67. To satisfy your curiosity, it is of no consequence to me how or where the credits are shown up. Having said that, what is worrying me is at this stage I have over 800 units in Pending validation that has been waiting for the last three days to be validated.. In all honestly, I can not afford to wait any longer to see if I am going to be credited for these in view (times for submission has expired) of previous times when I lost credits and hoped that in time all will be good. In my experience twice I have worked for credits for days to weeks and on the end the whole lot was wiped. Aqua was one and FreeHAL was another. This is my reason to be cautious.In this light, I suggest that like I did is to stop new work units coming in and if necessary crunch others until this problem is fixed. On the other hand, there is no problem if you keep thrusting this project and just crunch away, so far it has always credited your entitlement as due. I am just being cautious and move to more secure projects whilst it is available and more promising as to credit outcome..Hope that answers my point of view why we are doing things the way we are doing.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...
09-01-11, 10:19 PM
zombie67

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by Cruncher Pete

@zombie67. To satisfy your curiosity, it is of no consequence to me how or where the credits are shown up. Having said that, what is worrying me is at this stage I have over 800 units in Pending validation that has been waiting for the last three days to be validated.. In all honestly, I can not afford to wait any longer to see if I am going to be credited for these in view (times for submission has expired) of previous times when I lost credits and hoped that in time all will be good.

Just to be clear, validation does not matter about due dates, if you have returned the task by the due date. Validation could happen a year later and it would still award credits.

Also, the number of days for tasks to be validated was already known in advance, and should not be a surprise. They explained their schedule several days ago. It is not like the number of days are an indication of anything wrong. They are on schedule so far.

Think about it this way. If this were a normal BOINC project, with a quorum of 3, you could be waiting MONTHS for a task to be awarded credit. A week or two is nothing extra ordinary.

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Originally Posted by Cruncher Pete

In my experience twice I have worked for credits for days to weeks and on the end the whole lot was wiped. Aqua was one and FreeHAL was another. This is my reason to be cautious.In this light, I suggest that like I did is to stop new work units coming in and if necessary crunch others until this problem is fixed. On the other hand, there is no problem if you keep thrusting this project and just crunch away, so far it has always credited your entitlement as due. I am just being cautious and move to more secure projects whilst it is available and more promising as to credit outcome..Hope that answers my point of view why we are doing things the way we are doing.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...

No need to stop crunching, as the project stopped issuing new work a day or two ago. Any new work out there is just re-issues due to people missing the deadlines. They stopped it for you. ;)

I have been crunching FreeHAL since day 1. Losing free credits (non-CPU) didn't strike me as a problem. As long as everyone crunching the project lost equally, and we did, where is the harm? For AQUA, I had already hit my 5M goal there, so I missed this issue. I thought they restored the credits from a few days previous. Maybe I am confusing it with another project? In any case, everyone lost equally right? *shrug* I guess I just don't see the need to worry. But then again, I am usually crunching for alpha projects. So I am almost always living with the risk of losing credits. Or sometimes never getting any credits at all when they close before ever exporting stats.
09-01-11, 11:52 PM
Cruncher Pete

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by zombie67

Just to be clear, validation does not matter about due dates, if you have returned the task by the due date. Validation could happen a year later and it would still award credits.

Also, the number of days for tasks to be validated was already known in advance, and should not be a surprise. They explained their schedule several days ago. It is not like the number of days are an indication of anything wrong. They are on schedule so far.

Think about it this way. If this were a normal BOINC project, with a quorum of 3, you could be waiting MONTHS for a task to be awarded credit. A week or two is nothing extra ordinary.

No need to stop crunching, as the project stopped issuing new work a day or two ago. Any new work out there is just re-issues due to people missing the deadlines. They stopped it for you. ;)

I have been crunching FreeHAL since day 1. Losing free credits (non-CPU) didn't strike me as a problem. As long as everyone crunching the project lost equally, and we did, where is the harm? For AQUA, I had already hit my 5M goal there, so I missed this issue. I thought they restored the credits from a few days previous. Maybe I am confusing it with another project? In any case, everyone lost equally right? *shrug* I guess I just don't see the need to worry. But then again, I am usually crunching for alpha projects. So I am almost always living with the risk of losing credits. Or sometimes never getting any credits at all when they close before ever exporting stats.

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You might well be right, but in view of the saying once bitten twice shy, I tend to be careful with projects like this that takes a lot of time to fix their problems or loose all credits or some because of their inability to fix the problem. In the case of FreeHAL I have wasted weeks of computing times whereas others might only have wasted hours, yet we lost the lot, not because of a computer error but because the Admin decided that we are all cheating.(They are the words the Admin used at the time.) Therefore, I tend to be on the cautious side and place all WU's on NNW until the project recovers when something like this happens. It is really only a safeguard for during this time I can crunch an alternative until the problem is resolved....

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...
09-02-11, 12:12 AM
Fire$torm

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by zombie67

I am curious why you and some others here feel so concerned about this. Has this project ever stolen credits from you? Has it happened at another project, that causes you to think it will happen here? Why so worried?

For my personal experience, I have crunched just about every project ever, and find it hard to come up with an example of much significance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spingadus

I counted about 20 instances of the low credit bug on my account over the last week. That's about 60k credits. Hope it really is fixed.

So ya, at least one person has lost credits. I have not checked my own mainly because if I find it then I'll be irate. And yes, I know it happens which is why I stay away from projects that take this sort of thing for granted. MW usually does a great job of correcting errors which in my opinion is the reasonable thing to do.
09-02-11, 12:13 AM
NJCaNS

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Just noticed that SIC put up 15.7 million today vs 7.6 for SUSA. They'll take over first place tomorrow.

http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=proj&proj=drt
09-02-11, 12:25 AM
zombie67

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Originally Posted by Cruncher Pete

It is really only a safeguard for during this time I can crunch an alternative until the problem is resolved....

Fair enough reason. I asked and you answered. Thanks.
09-02-11, 12:36 AM
zombie67

Re: More Dirt issues.

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Originally Posted by Fire$torm

So ya, at least one person has lost credits. I have not checked my own mainly because if I find it then I'll be irate. And yes, I know it happens which is why I stay away from projects that take this sort of thing for granted. MW usually does a great job of correcting errors which in my opinion is the reasonable thing to do.

I know 60k sounds a lot. And it *is* for CPU projects.

But for the high paying GPU projects, that is just a rounding error. Even with the validation bug, this project is still paying more than any CUDA alternative.

So what is the alternative (if the bug was still there, which it isn't)? Crunch a lower paying project like PG, which everyone was already even more pissed off at? Why?

Folks, this is a hobby, we do it for *fun*. Mistakes happen from time to time, without malice. They want your help, after all. Why be perpetually worried or pissed off? Have fun with it! :)
09-02-11, 12:39 AM
zombie67

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Originally Posted by NJCaNS

Just noticed that SIC put up 15.7 million today vs 7.6 for SUSA. They'll take over first place tomorrow.

http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=proj&proj=drt

That assumes a steady availability of work. It was all turned off for a while. What you are just seeing now are just short bursts of output from the validator.
09-02-11, 12:39 AM
Cruncher Pete

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Originally Posted by NJCaNS

Just noticed that SIC put up 15.7 million today vs 7.6 for SUSA. They'll take over first place tomorrow.

http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=proj&proj=drt

This is another reason why I am worried about my efforts for not being credited for over 800 Units sitting in "Awaiting validation" and no credits for three days. Never the less, I will continue to crunch with my GPU's on this until it is resolved...In the mean time to make sure I will not loose all, I have suspended all CPU units for it for I have other important tasks to perform as well. Just a safety measure...
09-02-11, 01:35 AM
DrPop

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I am sure we'll see an uptick when all gets validated...and yes, this is a hobby and it is...oh yeah, it is still fun. Sometimes!!! :D :)) ;)
09-02-11, 01:47 AM
Fire$torm

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Just to be clear. The best day I have on Dirt was Aug. 26 with 361,095 credits. That divided by 60K is approx 1/6. To me a 15%+ drop is not a good thing, especially if it was not my doing. I do understand the projects mostly try and that they do want our help and nothing is perfect......
09-02-11, 02:17 AM
Bryan

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Shoot, they are just having growing pains. I don't think they understood the magnitude of what was going to happen when they raised the credits equal to the PG of old. The credits have actually gone down a hair ... the 300000 wu took less time to crunch when they 1st came out but still pay the same 3000. I haven't seen a single 400000 wu validated yet so it will be interesting to see if it pays higher since it takes longer to crunch.
09-03-11, 11:15 PM
zombie67

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Looks like they turned the validator back on. My bending task count is down from 2k+ to less than 400. Lot's o' credits today! Weee!
09-16-11, 08:26 AM
Fogle

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Arrgh! I'm out of DiRT wu's check your settings to be sure your not sitting idle! :mad:

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